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From the range trip the other day.

Two great .40's head to head at 7 yards. Most of the peripheral shots are from the BHP. To be fair it has a more challenging trigger which is crisp but heavy. The body shots were fired as fast as the front sight could be acquired. The head shots as fast as the front sight could be acquired and centered in the rear.
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12 shots x3 center mass with the CZ then 12x to the high target.

10 shots x3 center mass with the Browning then 10x high.

Next I tried "The Test" which is 10 shots in 10 seconds at 10 yards from the ready with a reload at an NRA 25 yard target. It's harder than it sounds.
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Dropped one with the CZ (in double action) and was a little slow. Dropped a few with the Browning. More practice needed with these guns (the Browning is the wife's and this is one of the few times I've used it), but I'm almost there with the CZ.

I like to end with some snub nose action with the carry guns and their ammo. That tends to be pretty consistent, even after getting a bit shaky with all the 40 shooting.

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The clean holes are 158gr Remington Golden Saber +P out of the Airweight. The soft edged holes are Hornady XTP 125gr Magnums out of the Bodyguard 357.

After all that, I fired one more quick mag out of the Browning and got called out for "rapid firing." :confused:

Oh well. It was a productive and enlightening day anyhow. I need to keep my hands off the wife's gun. I'm really starting to like it.

Near the end I tried shooting at 20 yards with the CZ in slow fire. After a few rounds I just couldn't hold the gun steady anymore and my group shifted up after resetting. The next few shots were thrown randomly. Oh well. It looked promising for a minute. That was a good time to quit. I think that's the key to .40S&W practice...shoot no more than you can comfortably handle. Once pain sets in and form breaks down there is nothing to be gained.
 

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This reminds me that I need to take my CZ P-01 out to the range ...

Good shooting and I am sure you had a blast!!! I really like the CZ's.
 

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I think the 40 is still one of the most practical rounds out there. It has a good record for stopping threats and still has a good capacity in most pistols. I use it in my winter gun with heavy bullets for better penetration against heavier clothing. Usually carry 9mm or 380 during summer when clothes are light.
 

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It was a blast. The range session was free, my shooting partner offered up the ammo, and all I needed was a few targets.

My CZ is the nightstand gun. In that size of gun, with guns engineered for it as those are, having a reduced capacity of two or three rounds is meaningless to me. They have a lot of horsepower without having to find exotic law enforcement or specialty loads.

These are "The Test" attempts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W0JlXF_wsA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eow_fNNdtcs
 

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.40 is far from dead, in fact it's growing in popularity and even spreading overseas to European and Australian PD's...........

Plus the .40 S&W is pretty much the "standard" LE round in the US, which = what the public is gonna buy.

I like .40, so much so I'm having a GP100 converted to 10mm (which will also shoot .40) and .40 is what I will shoot the most through it.

.40 is becoming the "new 9mm" and is very common, many first time gun buyers are going for .40's since most gun makers make the exact same pistols in both .40 and 9mm........prices for .40 are only marginally higher than 9, although I have found reloads priced just about the same as 9mm. I can't think of a single gun maker that makes pistols, that doesn't make something in .40.......

I half jokingly call 9mm the "new .380", since 9mm has sort of become a micro-pistol round these days like the LC9, and .40 has become the new standard caliber for mid to full size pistols.
 

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Right now the 40 cal is cheap to shoot. palmetto state armory has Fiocchi 40 cal ball ammo for $10 a box. Ammunition depot has 40 cal HST and an unknown Winchester bonded bullet (Just in a white box that says bonded bullet) for $20 a box of 50.
 

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On the internet the main selling point of 9mm pistols for most (aside from capacity) seems to be cheaper ammo.

45ACP and 38SPL are my favorites to shoot these days and the cost of ammo is largely inconsequential. It is certainly not a part of my criteria when choosing a gun.

As for the 40, out of the right gun it's a wonderful cartridge.
 

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Oh I love my Bhp, but like you say the trigger leaves a lot to be desired. Thiking about having my gunsmith do a mag dis removal and commander style hammer swap.
 

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Nice shooting! I'm especially a fan of the revolvers. I like those 649s.
Thanks. I had a real mental block in shooting double action for years. It was more a training and technique issue than anything else.

I can do relatively well shooting the snubs at speed these days.
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I will be getting a .38 specifically for bullseye style shooting here soon...a model 67 with an optic. I don't think it gets better than that. It'll be good for slowing the pace down on occasion. Otherwise I like to use the guns as their purpose intends.

For some reason I shoot the little 442 as well or better than the other two, and sometimes as well as anything I own.
 

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Oh I love my Bhp, but like you say the trigger leaves a lot to be desired. Thiking about having my gunsmith do a mag dis removal and commander style hammer swap.
The wife's has the mag safety out. It smoothed the pull but did little to nothing for the weight. It still breaks at about 7lbs which is just enough to make it a bit challenging. The CZ is at 4.5lbs.
 

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.40 S&W is far from dead, but modern 9mm bullet technology has leveled the playing field. When many of the police departments were jumping to .40 S&W, bullet technology was still in its infancy which helped to fuel the switch-over to .40. PD’s felt bigger was better in the absence of quality bullet designs. Today we have an assortment of modern high-performance 9mm loads that offer better penetration and expansion than loads on the market back in the 1990’s. Even the FBI, who lead the charge in developing the .40 S&W, now authorizes their agents to carry 9mm service pistols.

My youngest son is an NGA agent(federal agent) & they carry 9mm (Glock 17).


Here is a link to an interesting article, (worth the read) put out by the FBI training academy as to why they are moving back to 9mm:

http://concealednation.org/2014/10/fbi-decides-on-9mm-as-their-1-choice-and-have-tons-of-science-behind-their-decision/
 

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Yeah, I've read all that. It basically reads like an admission that many of their agents can't handle it and they'd rather have more rounds than additional training. There is no hard data supporting the position of performance.

The FBI has fallen out of love with their own wonder round. I'm one to make my own decisions rather than basing choices on a government agency's latest manifesto. They've been going down that path for some time. 40S&W has an edge in that exotic, law enforcement, or +P or +P+ loads aren't necessary to equal the next caliber. It isn't perfect but I personally think it fills a good niche of a solid all round performer. In the right gun it's a fun round and a good challenge.

I don't mind 9mm, but feel it's best in lightweight subcompact guns. I wouldn't count the .40 out just 'cause its no longer a fit for the modern FBI.
 

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I love my Glock 40SW . They NEVER jam or miss fire no matter you shoot in it .





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That's impressive shooting with the 23C.
 
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