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44 Carbine Questiions

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Joined the Ruger Forum in Oct of 2022 and posted this thread in the "Rifle" forum. Since then I've had 356 looks and not any answers so, I'm wondering if I posted in the wrong place. Now I'll try it in this forum and hope I can get some answers.

A few years ago I had a 44 carbine that I loved until the tang broke on the trigger guard. I found a replacement and hand fitted it as no local "gunsmith" (and I use that term lightly) would do it. After that I lost faith in the gun and sold it. I acquired a second carbine a few years later at a reasonable price and sold it for a profit without even firing it due to past experience and even scarcer parts. I'm now the owner of a 3rd carbine, a 1965 44RS with a letter of authenticity that I'd like to keep and shoot but need some help/advice.

Does anyone know if the tang breakage is caused by poor quality castings or poor stock to action fit?

Also, I have read of various fixes for broken tangs but, has anyone ever tried having the broken tang "TIG" welded? From past experience I think the welding rod would be stronger then the parent material and the one that broke for me had a very grainy structure which is not conducive to strength. Kind of like cast iron vs. wrought iron.

Any and all advice on this matter will be appreciated - even if it's to just dump the gun on some unsuspecting soul which I really don't want to do as it's in great condition and fairly rare.
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Mine is from 1968 and I’ve had no problems with it. Good luck with yours.
Mine is from 1968 and I’ve had no problems with it. Good luck with yours.
As I said, it's in great shape and it has been fired from the looks of the action wear marks and hasn't broken yet. Seems like certain years might have just had bad moldings. Just leery due to past experience. I've restocked it and used a lot of JB Weld to bed the action and support the trigger guard. Hope it all helps.
You're lucky to have one. In all the time I've been here I have only seen two and they wanted way too much for them. I guess I'll just stick with a good 9mm carbine.
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I don't know how many rounds mine has through it but it's a LOT, no problems
I don't know how many rounds mine has through it but it's a LOT, no problems
It seems to be the case that if you have a good one it's like the Energizer Bunny, just keeps goin and goin. Was hoping someone out there could give me an idea if there were certain years that were worse then others or if it's just the luck of the draw .
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For some reason, I never saw your original post.

My .44 Carbine is from '63.
I picked it up used (of course) and so I have no idea how many rounds have been fired.
I've had it going on 20yrs now and about 3 yrs ago, I was shooting it and it began to stop feeding, turned out to be the front tang.
I have no idea why it chose to break and honestly, I wasn't even aware of the issue until after the fact.
No replacement parts are available, at least I have never been able to find one.
In my case, I could not even find the broken piece of the tang. It's only like 1/4" x 1/8"

I have no idea if some rifle years are worse than others. When I read about the issue, I never really thought to make a list of the years affected to see if there was a pattern.

I often wonder if it's my fault that it broke.
If I assembled something wrong after cleaning, or it was something else I did that caused it to break. Been kicking myself since that day.

Honestly, I kind of think it's just a weak spot that is waiting to happen.

As you know, the older models have a tube magazine which is held in place by the trigger guard. When the tang breaks, the front of the trigger housing to drops slightly which causes a mis-alignment. Causing feeding issues.

I have not been able to locate a trigger housing or a gunsmith that could offer any ideas how to fix the trigger guard.

My WECSOG fix:
I was sitting there pushing up on the front of the trigger housing and watching it drop when I took my thumb away, about the cry over the damage to my carbine,
when I realized that I just needed a way to keep it raised.

The saw that the front bottom of the trigger housing is flat and sits inside the stock.
I ended up gluing a small piece of a popsicle stick (about 1/2" x 1/4") inside the bottom of the stock under the flat part and viola, when assembled, the trigger housing is in alignment and I have shot hundreds of round since that time without a hiccup.

Photo of trigger housing with broken tang:


Popsicle stick fix:
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For some reason, I never saw your original post.

My .44 Carbine is from '63.
I picked it up used (of course) and so I have no idea how many rounds have been fired.
I've had it going on 20yrs now and about 3 yrs ago, I was shooting it and it began to stop feeding, turned out to be the front tang.
I have no idea why it chose to break and honestly, I wasn't even aware of the issue until after the fact.
No replacement parts are available, at least I have never been able to find one.
In my case, I could not even find the broken piece of the tang. It's only like 1/4" x 1/8"

I have no idea if some rifle years are worse than others. When I read about the issue, I never really thought to make a list of the years affected to see if there was a pattern.

I often wonder if it's my fault that it broke.
If I assembled something wrong after cleaning, or it was something else I did that caused it to break. Been kicking myself since that day.

Honestly, I kind of think it's just a weak spot that is waiting to happen.

As you know, the older models have a tube magazine which is held in place by the trigger guard. When the tang breaks, the front of the trigger housing to drops slightly which causes a mis-alignment. Causing feeding issues.

I have not been able to locate a trigger housing or a gunsmith that could offer any ideas how to fix the trigger guard.

My WECSOG fix:
I was sitting there pushing up on the front of the trigger housing and watching it drop when I took my thumb away, about the cry over the damage to my carbine,
when I realized that I just needed a way to keep it raised.

The saw that the front bottom of the trigger housing is flat and sits inside the stock.
I ended up gluing a small piece of a popsicle stick (about 1/2" x 1/4") inside the bottom of the stock under the flat part and viola, when assembled, the trigger housing is in alignment and I have shot hundreds of round since that time without a hiccup.

Photo of trigger housing with broken tang:
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Popsicle stick fix:
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Bought the gun with original, broken stock and a blank of unknown origin that someone tried to make fit.

Original and finished replacement - note that it's a bit thicker too.


All the bedding material is JB Weld and the receiver block is bedded also to prevent future splitting as on the original stock.


If you look close, you'll see a raised portion that supports the front of the trigger housing. Pretty much what you did with the popsicle stick. Hopefully this will be preventative to ward off a future repair.


Overall view of my completed 1965 RS carbine. Stock finish is 6 coats of hand rubbed boiled linseed oil topped by 6 very thin coats of polyurethane. Entire interior of stock is covered in clear epoxy to prevent moisture absorption. A collector wouldn't want it because of the replacement stock but, that's OK, as it isn't for sale. 😄
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Bought the gun with original, broken stock and a blank of unknown origin that someone tried to make fit.

Original and finished replacement - note that it's a bit thicker too. View attachment 198881

All the bedding material is JB Weld and the receiver block is bedded also to prevent future splitting as on the original stock.
View attachment 198882

If you look close, you'll see a raised portion that supports the front of the trigger housing. Pretty much what you did with the popsicle stick. Hopefully this will be preventative to ward off a future repair.
View attachment 198883

Overall view of my completed 1965 RS carbine. Stock finish is 6 coats of hand rubbed boiled linseed oil topped by 6 very thin coats of polyurethane. Entire interior of stock is covered in clear epoxy to prevent moisture absorption. A collector wouldn't want it because of the replacement stock but, that's OK, as it isn't for sale. 😄
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Nice.
My stock is original, but the previous owner cut it down a bit and added a rubber recoil pad.
It doesn't bother me. I am more of a shooter than a collector.
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