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Nah, everyone thinks all of NJ is Newark airport and smoke stacks.

If someone dropped you in the Pine Barrens you wouldn't even know you were in the northeast. The 100+ miles of beach doesn't hurt either.

Paulnlee, I grew up 20 minutes from you. I work out in Hunterdon County all the time.
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We're a bit off topic here but-
Yes but it is a discussion spawned from a gun related topic.

First off, I'm not mad at ya! Lol
I'm not mad at you either but I sense some hostility or frustration.

... it just irks me a bit that whenever people from NJ, CA, NY or other non gun friendly states post, there are inevitably numerous respondents who suggest we leave.
It is a gun related forum so when gun unfriendlyness comes up the logical solution is to go to a gun friendlier location.

If I had an opportunity to make more money in another state it would be seriously considered but, to be honest, NJ isn't such a bad place.
Like I said nothing wrong with that but cost of living has to be considered I had this discussion yesterday at work. I bought a house and my payments were about $800/mo for a 4br 3ba house on half an acre in a good neighborhood in a good location. I talked to some ex New Yorkers who tell me you can't get a cracker box for that kind of cash. More money isn't everything. I passed on jobs making more because for what I do I'm fairly happy and some things money can't buy like low stress piece of mind.

My point is that you say if "everyone left" it would send a message, and I agree but, that's not what's being advocated here at all (nor would it ever happen). What's being suggested is that all "gun owners" leave. Well, I don't know if you noticed but, gun owners are in the minority here. The general population would likely be happy if we all left and took our guns with us. And therein lies the problem. NJ is one of the richest states in the Union, it's not going to crumble and disappear if some of us leave.
Maybe not but would you really care. NJ would still be gun unfriendly and maybe get worse and you would be living in a gun friendly state.

To look at it from another perspective. If you live in an area that sees a large influx of Muslims who are pressing the local/state government to pass laws that are more in line with their ideals and beliefs would you suggest that everyone currently living there who is not Muslim leave? Effectively creating a Muslim enclave? I mean, if you all leave it will send a message right? Or will it just solidify and empower the Muslim majority that's left? And if it did, will that somehow preserve your ideals or will it further threaten them.
Oh no you di-ent (go there). The whole idea is to live and elect local officials that think like you. A nearby city, Kennesaw GA, the same city that passed a law years ago the requires every head of household to maintain a gun. It was a protest law in response to Morton Grove, IL banning handguns. The city counsel also recently denied a permit for a Muslim church in a shopping center. They later reconsidered under the Mayor's suggestion they would be violating the law.

I just think the knee jerk response of "just leave" is immature, and somewhat ignorant, as it doesn't consider the individual's circumstances, nor does it take into account the bigger picture.
Again I have read people suggest this but this is a gun forum and it only makes sense. I hope you wern't talking to me because in this thread I believe I was the only one saying anything close to that. When people get mad at me and rant and rave I usually tell them to go back and carefully read what I wrote. I try to be careful what I write and try to be precise in my language. I merely said that you (and /or others) should "CONSIDER" moving.
 

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Nah, everyone thinks all of NJ is Newark airport and smoke stacks.

If someone dropped you in the Pine Barrens you wouldn't even know you were in the northeast. The 100+ miles of beach doesn't hurt either.

Paulnlee, I grew up 20 minutes from you. I work out in Hunterdon County all the time.
Think I opened up a can of worms. My big problem here is the long wait for pistol permits. Put in for 2 in Oct. still waiting, 4 or 5 months is not out of the norm.

It's really a beautiful state. As Budasac stated we have the Pine Barrens, and beautiful beaches.
 

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Yes but it is a discussion spawned from a gun related topic.

I'm not mad at you either but I sense some hostility or frustration.

It is a gun related forum so when gun unfriendlyness comes up the logical solution is to go to a gun friendlier location.

Like I said nothing wrong with that but cost of living has to be considered I had this discussion yesterday at work. I bought a house and my payments were about $800/mo for a 4br 3ba house on half an acre in a good neighborhood in a good location. I talked to some ex New Yorkers who tell me you can't get a cracker box for that kind of cash. More money isn't everything. I passed on jobs making more because for what I do I'm fairly happy and some things money can't buy like low stress piece of mind.

Maybe not but would you really care. NJ would still be gun unfriendly and maybe get worse and you would be living in a gun friendly state.

Oh no you di-ent (go there). The whole idea is to live and elect local officials that think like you. A nearby city, Kennesaw GA, the same city that passed a law years ago the requires every head of household to maintain a gun. It was a protest law in response to Morton Grove, IL banning handguns. The city counsel also recently denied a permit for a Muslim church in a shopping center. They later reconsidered under the Mayor's suggestion they would be violating the law.

Again I have read people suggest this but this is a gun forum and it only makes sense. I hope you wern't talking to me because in this thread I believe I was the only one saying anything close to that. When people get mad at me and rant and rave I usually tell them to go back and carefully read what I wrote. I try to be careful what I write and try to be precise in my language. I merely said that you (and /or others) should "CONSIDER" moving.
Like I said, not mad at ya. Not angry or frustrated either. I actually enjoy civil debates.

While it was a response to your post it wasn't directed at you specifically. Just a broad statement in reference to the same remarks being made repeatedly in multiple threads throughout this forum. People can live in a state and criticize certain aspects of it without feeling the need to leave. I think much more can be accomplished through discussion and debate then from simply suggesting someone you don't know pick up and leave their family because you don't agree with some of the laws in said state. (Again, when I say "you" I'm not referencing you personally but everyone who makes these comments.). Of course, if guns are your sole reason for being, it's an obvious choice. I seriously hope you that isn't the case for anyone though.

My Muslim analagy was simply an attempt to draw a parallel to a topic that many on this forum have strong views about. (Perhaps a poor choice but I think the point was made.)

As far as electing local officials that are like minded, that's great but, there is always the minority who's gonna lose. Which brings up another common theme among some who post on this forum, which is to blame those who live in liberal states for continually voting in anti gun politicians. That's like blaming all the members of this forum for electing Obama. We clearly aren't voting for these A-holes, but we're the minority. I certainly don't think that our California members are responsible for the politics in that state. They're simply outnumbered.

To your cost of living and property value comment, I agree. NJ is one of the most expensive places to live. As an example, my cousins moved to Arizona many,many years ago. They each have a large 5 bedroom house with a nice piece of property and big pool. One of them debated moving back East a few years ago to be closer to family and took a look at some real estate while out here visiting. With what he would get for his place in AZ he would be able to afford a 3 bedroom Cape here. Needless to say, he's still in AZ. As far as my situation, I can work anywhere, my wife however has a Masters Degree and a career in a field that would be wasted if we moved away from NYC and the stock market.

In any case, this is where I grew up and where I CHOOSE to live for one reason or another. I went to school out of state and have seen other areas of he country (though admittedly not enough). Eventually I will likely leave, either by choice or necessity, until then I'll continue to enjoy shooting in NJ and supporting groups and politicians who are more in line with my ideals (Even if they never win). I'm also going to get my NRA Instructor certificate so I can help to introduce as many people as possible to a hobby/sport that everyone on this forum so thoroughly enjoys.
 

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Think I opened up a can of worms. My big problem here is the long wait for pistol permits. Put in for 2 in Oct. still waiting, 4 or 5 months is not out of the norm.

It's really a beautiful state. As Budasac stated we have the Pine Barrens, and beautiful beaches.
The permit issue is a local one and varies by town. I consistently get my permits in 3 weeks and never have an issue extending them if necessary. I actually just brought one in this week and was technically 2 days late for an extension but it was a non issue for my local PD. A guy who works at the local gun shop just received his after a 7 month wait though (he lives in different town.). I always get three when I apply whether I think I need them or not. I consider "one gun per month" a mandate as opposed to a restriction.
 
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