Anyone carrying a little heavier today?

Scswolf said:

EMP strike will render semiautos useless

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only if you have one of these biometric guns

DCunniff said:

For those that have to or like to use public transport. Last week in Charlotte NC. Passenger gets arrested, driver gets fired, both injured. Passenger wants to get off, driver says no. Passenger shows a gun, driver does too! They both fire, driver stops bus to fire down aisle and outside. City bus company was not impressed that driver had a gun, and should have let the guy out not at a stop.

Moment Charlotte driver and passenger get into shootout on moving bus

A shocking video shows the moment a Charlotte bus driver and passenger opened fire on one another with the bus still in motion after they argued with one another over an unauthorized stop.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Moment Charlotte driver and passenger get into shootout on moving bus

A shocking video shows the moment a Charlotte bus driver and passenger opened fire on one another with the bus still in motion after they argued with one another over an unauthorized stop.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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That scenario is open to a lot of arm chair quarterbacking on the various attributes of the situation.

Personal protection carrying a gun at work vs company policy mandating no weapons allowed on the job. There are a lot of points of view that can be taken on this one. Mine is he has a right to be armed, but without having been there and witnessing the entire sequence of events, I cannot decide whether he should have pulled his weapon or just simply complied and stopped the bus to let the ****head off his bus. That question can only be answered if I knew whether in the driver's mind if he was absolutely in imminent fear for his life when he (bus driver) pulled his weapon. That is the question the perp's lawyers will drive at when the perp sues the driver for wrongful actions resulting in the perp's injuries. That is how our sue happy society works these days.

If lawyers were held accountable and punished for frivolous lawsuits brought on by criminals against their victims all in hope of enriching themselves by getting the jury to feel sorry for the perp who was the initial instigator, the world would be so much better. Imagine fewer ambulance chasing lawyers running loose on the streets. Punishment should be they get incarcerated for 90 or more days in the same cell with the perp they represented.

Mark my words.... the bus driver and the bus company (city) will get sued....

50 State said:

Agreed, it sounds like the bus driver was p'd off, which is certainly understandable. Not the best motivation for pulling a gun, that's how otherwise law-abiding people get in trouble.


He should have called the cops after the perp left, since he probably has outstanding warrants. Even if he's out the next day, he'll have to incur the minor effort (for a law-breaker) of illegally obtaining another weapon.


I'm used to jurisdictions where the bus drivers are instructed to assist passengers with any and all stops, since realistically it's all about the same regardless where they stop. Maybe that passenger had already been mean.

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Here in Idaho, we have Constitutional Carry for 18 year old and above with ZERO training or education requirements. I was lambasted by many here because I disagree with it on the grounds it makes no sense that you have to have drivers training and know the laws regarding driving on public roads to protect the public from your actions, but no such requirement for carrying a 30 oz deadly weapon with which to threaten or harm others with. I just conducted an all day class yesterday where one student said if they had a gun in the mall when the mall shooting happened here a few years ago, they would have hunted down the shooter. I said that would be crazy because another person or law enforcement in the mall might think you are the shooter and drop you in your tracks when they saw you with your gun. He said, "Wow!, I never thought about that possibility, I guess it's a good thing I chose to take this class".

Most people want to do what they think at the time is the right thing to do when they have a gun at their disposal, but without experience and education, they risk making very bad decisions that not only negatively affect themselves but others as well as us who are defending our 2nd amendment right from the left every day. I hate giving liberal anti-2A proponents any ammunition (no pun intended) to use against us to remove the second amendment and every time there is a story they can site as reckless use of a firearm, that just feeds their ambition to do just that.

LarryNBoise said:

Here in Idaho, we have Constitutional Carry for 18 year old and above with ZERO training or education requirements. I was lambasted by many here because I disagree with it on the grounds it makes no sense that you have to have drivers training and know the laws regarding driving on public roads to protect the public from your actions, but no such requirement for carrying a 30 oz deadly weapon with which to threaten or harm others with.

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The line where I've split your quote is where many take issue with your stance. No one will disagree with the idea that a carrier should get training. The disagreement is as to whether or not it should be mandatory. The problem with mandates as they relate to firearms is that disingenuous anti-2A politicians like to use them to establish barriers to exercising the right to carry, rather than using mandates for real good. They just can't be trusted along those lines anymore. With that in mind, more and more, including myself, are in favor of simple constitutional carry, with the understanding that the many mistakes of others on the record will incentivise them to get the training they should get.

I just conducted an all day class yesterday where one student said if they had a gun in the mall when the mall shooting happened here a few years ago, they would have hunted down the shooter. I said that would be crazy because another person or law enforcement in the mall might think you are the shooter and drop you in your tracks when they saw you with your gun. He said, "Wow!, I never thought about that possibility, I guess it's a good thing I chose to take this class".

Most people want to do what they think at the time is the right thing to do when they have a gun at their disposal, but without experience and education, they risk making very bad decisions that not only negatively affect themselves but others as well as us who are defending our 2nd amendment right from the left every day. I hate giving liberal anti-2A proponents any ammunition (no pun intended) to use against us to remove the second amendment and every time there is a story they can site as reckless use of a firearm, that just feeds their ambition to do just that.

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No one will disagree with anything you've said here. It's pretty bad when we've gotten to the point that when a mass murder happens, angst over knowing that the event could be used to attack our rights equals the angst over the loss of life.

With that being said, the disingenuous anti-2A politicians will exploit anything to push their lies. It's getting to the point where we really can't give them any more ammunition than they already have because they're running around with never-emptying Hollywood magazines that don't have to be changed. It comes from the shamelessness to make stuff up out of thin air.