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Recently a friend of mine who is divorced with children had a visit from the children and youth service. I'm not sure what is going on between her and her 15 year old daughter but the daughter told her father who lives elsewhere that she doesn't like guns and is afraid because the mother has them in the house. This mom is a great person and follows all safety protocol with having guns and children in the house. She and her current husband own a few firearms but nothing that would be considered above average. I just think the ex husband is trying to start trouble and he's succeeding. CYS showed up at their school to interview the children and then they went to their house to interview the parents. They were very anti gun and gave my friend the serious runaround. They asked to see the weapons and then criticized the mother for having a concealed carry permit. They harassed the hell outta her and made all kinds of threats. She's worried about losing her children now. I told her she made a mistake by talking to them and letting them in her home without a warrant or court order and that she might be wise to lawyer up and contact the local authorities and let them know what's going on and possibly to press deformation of character charges against her ex. She's done nothing wrong and is not sure what to do. Not looking for legal advice or anything. Just thoughts on the subject or any experience. I feel like they violated her second amendment rights!
 

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Me and my wife are Forster parents for the state of Michigan. The only guide lines we got to follow is guns have to be locked up in a gun safe with trigger locks on them and ammo needs to be locked up in a different cabinet. Hex the inspector that comes to my house the only thing she has said is my husband would love to have what you got. Got four gun safes full. They are all bolted to the floor.
I would have them talk to a lawyer that loves guns. They have not done anything wrong to have them show up.
 

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That's what I've told them. They've done nothing at all wrong but should definitely speak with a lawyer. I'm just so angry that one could have their rights questioned and attacked like that. All over nothing.
 

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I seriously don't think this turn of events can end well.

Just about all DFACs employees see guns and children as something that should never come together in one house, gun safe or no. There is just too much bad press and literally no good press on this issue.

I pray everything works out for your friend. A lawyer familiar with local gun laws and weapons issues would be a good choice.
 

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My soon-to-be-ex wife, bitter because I left her, called C&Y on me and said I was letting my daughter "get ahold of guns and run around", the C&Y worker came to my house, acted like she gave less than a crap and just told me to keep my guns locked up, after I told her this claim was completely assinine.

I didn't lie, I said Yes, I'm a State Corrections Officer as well as a Combat Veteran, of course I have guns in the house, as it is my legal right to own firearms, and they are safely secured. End of problem, I got a letter in the mail that my case was closed.
 

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i would get ahold of the protection services report, make sure it reads corectly (thinking about the future) and if it reads negatively get a lawyer to help correct, they often report with a slant thus leaving the door open.
 

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Well. I lost custody for just having my daughter participate in a firearm safety course. I spent a sickening amount on 4 of the supposedly best lawyers. Seriously sickening. But, it won't matter more than a hoot who you get your legal advice from. What will matter most is who the judge is. Be prepared for a trip to the upside down inside out shockingly bizarre world of family courts. But then again, it is kind of like shooting off a few rounds up in the air. You just don't know where they are going to come down

I am not making light of your friends experience. It is just these are strange days. I hope things settle down for them. The less they say the better. Child authorities will provoke them intentionally and use their aggressive reactions against them. Or, if you do not respond to their harassment, they might label them ambivalent. It is "Catch 22".

Make sure more than anything else them kids know they are loved. They will grow up, and that they will remember.
 

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Make sure more than anything else them kids know they are loved. They will grow up, and that they will remember.
SidSauer I have always said that myself and you are absolutely dead on correct, in fact that is absolutely the best advice I have ever seen posted anywhere anytime
Kudos to you for that
 

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Can't believe some of these stories. Here Michigan you just got to follow DHS guidelines and your good. Hex the inspector don't even check my stuff anymore because she knows thru out the years I followed the guide lines.
Hex I got a 300 yard range and a 50 yard range in front of the house and they said looks nice.


Hex one of the young kids bought me a steel Yosemite Sam and he holding every gun you can imagine. He told me it reminded him of me. It's states on it
Due to the price increase of ammo don't expect the first shoot to be a warning shoot.
We put it at the end of the drive way attached to a 4x4.
The inspector loves it. Told her it came from one of the kids, she didn't have any issue with it.
 

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Recently a friend of mine who is divorced with children had a visit from the children and youth service. I'm not sure what is going on between her and her 15 year old daughter but the daughter told her father who lives elsewhere that she doesn't like guns and is afraid because the mother has them in the house. This mom is a great person and follows all safety protocol with having guns and children in the house. She and her current husband own a few firearms but nothing that would be considered above average. I just think the ex husband is trying to start trouble and he's succeeding. CYS showed up at their school to interview the children and then they went to their house to interview the parents. They were very anti gun and gave my friend the serious runaround. They asked to see the weapons and then criticized the mother for having a concealed carry permit. They harassed the hell outta her and made all kinds of threats. She's worried about losing her children now. I told her she made a mistake by talking to them and letting them in her home without a warrant or court order and that she might be wise to lawyer up and contact the local authorities and let them know what's going on and possibly to press deformation of character charges against her ex. She's done nothing wrong and is not sure what to do. Not looking for legal advice or anything. Just thoughts on the subject or any experience. I feel like they violated her second amendment rights!
I have to agree that lawyering up is the right way to go for any future problems with the authorities.

I find the daughter's actions very troubling. The wording sounds extremely canned. Getting a full and complete understanding of where this influence is coming from would be paramount for me.
 

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That wording is just my wording and it in no way truly reflects what is going on. I suspect that it's just the deadbeat dad filling the daughters mind with bunk. He hasn't had to pay support in years because all of his employment has been under the table with no paper trail. Recently he's gotten real job and the mother is planning on taking him back to domestics for support. I believe he started this in retaliation.
 

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I would not have talked to them, and that episode is messed up on all levels. And it is typical of bureaucratic thuggery, which needs to be stood up to.
As far as the daughter being afraid of guns, she needs to be shipped off to the father.
I would not put up with her or her goon squad. The mother is going to have to make some tough calls here, and the daughter may not be worth it.
 

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I read these stories and I am thankful that my wife and I have stuck together through thick and thin for more than 29 years now and our sons are now 24 and 26... Hard to believe we were 19 and 20 when we got married and they said it wouldn't last.
 

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In my county the CYS is like the damn Gestapo.This winter, a little girl of about 3, was standing outside several times this past winter, nothing on but a thin t-shirt, no shoes, BELOW ZERO, standing out in the yard beside the road, all by herself, about 7 in the morning, waving at passing traffic. The oldest maight be 10, but they all play of a busy road all the time. And CYS DOES NOTHING. So who they pick on is pretty selective.


I would suggest your friend get a lawyer, and seriously consider shipping the little pain in the butt tattle tale off to daddy trouble maker and let him reap what he sowed. She could make his life a living hell inna hurry. If the daughter is blackmailing to get her way, she would do it to DAd after the novelty wore off. Justice served. Its a loosing battle that you cant win if the kid is in on the games. . the dirty jerks at CYS hold all the cards then.
 

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I definitely agree that they should ship her to dad's and let him deal with it. It's hard for a mother to give up her children I guess. It really sucks when split up parents use their children as a weapon against each other. The one who's being hurt the most is that child but then again if she's feeling the way she does then she should go with daddy. Maybe the grass is greener, then again, maybe it's not.
 
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