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This is a long post. But I'm a writer by profession (in part), so I enjoy it.

Plus, it's another rip roaring Saturday night in small town central Maine. It's not winter yet for another few weeks, but we've got 8" of snow (if you can measure the depth at all due to drifting by high winds for days; I sunk over my knees in a drift this afternoon), and we're now (8 pm) in the mid-teens F heading to single digits. It's a fine night to be inside with a computer. I've been entertaining myself with Netflix during dinner, but ... have something else on my mind: I've been bitten by the handgun bug.

I don't currently own a handgun. :( In fact, only one gun right now at all. (See user name.) Long story about why -- see below if you wish. But I'm starting to remedy that now, because I've been a gun owner for over 6 decades, and they're part of who I am.

A few weeks ago, I was bitten by the revolver bug. Since I'm (for years) a die-hard Ruger guy, I knew which company it was coming from. I also wanted a .38 spl (+p rated), because I've owned them and like them. After some looking, I stumbled on the LCRx with a 3" barrel. Instantly fell in love with the concept -- even though I've never handled one, let alone shot one. But I've owned light-weight revolvers -- see below -- and like the idea.

I started a thread to learn more about it.

But there's a problem: money. I'm trying to start a company, a process that will continue far into 2020, and there's almost nothing left over at the end of the month after rent, food, etc. And my dealer -- best in my state, he cannot be under-priced -- wants $495 for an LCRx. I'm sure he'd come way down -- he did for my 10/22 -- but even so, just not in my budget.

So, I started looking around and considering other options. I've owned an LC9s and loved it. In fact, it was my last handgun; sold it to a friend for his girl friend. (More on that story below if you wish.) I just learned that it's been discontinued. But I discovered its replacement: EC9s. And it's about 1/2 what I'd pay for an LCRx 3". So ...

I'll admit my bias right up front: I love the concept of this pistol. I'm a minimalist at heart. Function over beauty for me any day. And this pistol seems simple but elegant. I'm a smaller older man with small hands. I like light and small.

I've read every review I can find -- I'll post some of the better examples later -- and watched about 75% of the videos about it (that I've found so far), some multiple times. I've read several threads here about it, mostly about problems.

But I'm hungry for more information about it. Less about problems, more about other sides of it. Stories. Love it? Hate it? In between? Favorite ammo out of it? Problems? Successes? Sight paints? Grip accessories? Other mags? Current street prices?

Below is the post about it that I posted in my LCRx thread, just for a bit of background. It's gotten no responses so far, so ... thought I'd open the discussion a bit.
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So I'm going to risk being called an indecisive flake (at least one girlfriend called me that once, which helped me make up my mind about her) and raise a new option in this thread. Since I'm the OP, I feel OK about that. After spending most of the afternoon reading reviews and watching videos, I've decided that instead of an LCRx in .38 spl, I may -- may -- be going back to 9 mm, specifically, the EC9s.

I'll state one thing right up front: if the two were equal price, I'd go with the LCRx hands down. No more questions. Why? Even though I've owned several 9 mm pistols -- more on that below -- I've always had a fondness for wheel guns. I won't even argue any more about .38 spl vs 9 mm effectiveness for SD -- not enough difference to snivel about IMO.

But the simplicity and reliability of wheel guns is compelling to me. Pull the trigger, it goes bang. If for some reason it doesn't, pull it again, and it'll probably go bang. No FTF, no jams to clear, etc. And just the fact that they've been around so long ... speaks to the history lover in me.

I've owned about equal numbers of wheel guns and semi-autos since about 1992. In wheel guns, I've owned (in order of purchase) Taurus (1) and Smith Wesson (3). In 9 mm, I've owned SW, Kahr and Ruger, specifically the LC9s. The latter was my last. I sold it (and my two rifles) about two years ago when I thought that my professional life was about to carry me to the UK for a very extended period (measured in years). The latter venture fell through -- I'm not unhappy about that -- so now I'm rebuilding my kit.

I loved the LC9s. Didn't have that many rnds through it, but it was flawless performance, very acceptable recoil (comparable to my SW 642 air weight), and fit my small (for a man) hand so well. I'm very familiar with the problem of limp wristing and had no trouble avoiding it.

But here's the problem. The EC9s would cost me just over half the price of the LCRx. My local dealer quoted me today $495 for the latter -- although I'm pretty sure he'd come down a few dollars. I'll call him next week for a quote on the EC9s, and from prices I've seen online, I'm betting he can come close to $270 or so. With my budget -- struggling to start a new company and pennies are scarce -- that's a BIG difference.

The EC9s is getting consistently good reviews. I already understand that it has a couple or three significant differences from the LC9s, but none that make me want to discount it. And it's measurably smaller than the LCRx while being only 1.5 ounces heavier.

I've found three threads on this forum about problems with the EC9s -- mostly failure to extract or failure to feed -- but two of three were satisfactorily resolved, and the third seems to be in the process of resolution. I also saw several participants from this thread in those, so know they're familiar with both guns.

So I thought I'd throw this thread open to discussion, because since it's the (black) Friday after Thanksgiving and there's no football tonight, I know you guys are bored and looking for something to do. You can thank me later.
 

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I own lots of Rugers. The EC9S is my daily carry. I’ve never had an issue with it at the range.


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I bought a EC9s for a deeper concealed carry gun. Paid $260 out the door,. No $$ for BG check since I have a CCW permit.

I've taken it to the range a couple of times and have had no issues with it. We shot Federal Champion 115 gr brass FMJ.

I use the supplied pinkie extension that comes included when new.
I would recommend a dab of paint on the sights. I'll admit, they were a little hard to pick up quickly in lower light conditions.

I liked the EC9s so much I found a lightly used LC9s Pro model to carry. I like the trigger and the lack of safeties on the LC9s Pro.

EC9s has been regulated to wife's back-up house/occasional CC gun.
Both are loaded with Remington UMC 115 gr. JHP for self defense ammo.
No feed issues yet.

I would recommend getting a Hogue Beavertail gripsleeve. Makes it feel so much better.
I also purchased a 9 rnd extra mag. Bonus is mags interchange between the EC/LC9.
 

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I bought a EC9s for a deeper concealed carry gun. Paid $260 out the door,. No $$ for BG check since I have a CCW permit.

I've taken it to the range a couple of times and have had no issues with it. We shot Federal Champion 115 gr brass FMJ.

I use the supplied pinkie extension that comes included when new.
I would recommend a dab of paint on the sights. I'll admit, they were a little hard to pick up quickly in lower light conditions.

I liked the EC9s so much I found a lightly used LC9s Pro model to carry. I like the trigger and the lack of safeties on the LC9s Pro.

EC9s has been regulated to wife's back-up house/occasional CC gun.
Both are loaded with Remington UMC 115 gr. JHP for self defense ammo.
No feed issues yet.

I would recommend getting a Hogue Beavertail gripsleeve. Makes it feel so much better.
I also purchased a 9 rnd extra mag. Bonus is mags interchange between the EC/LC9.
This. +1 on Hogue grip sleeve: Pachmyr is also good and each is slightly different (I like the Hogue better as ti seems to fit my hand).

You've shot LC9 so recoil management should be the same. Striker firing on EC9 feels better for me than LC9 hammer.

ONLY THING about EC9 is that the sights are all black. You might want to paint the front sight partly in white or some phosporescent color to allow better sighting against dark backgrounds.

No problems with EC9 ever and it's what I carry now. Old LC9 had some with extended mag failure to feed and 'cheap' ammo chips clogging firing pin hole. Understand there are fixes, but I just use smaller mag and good ammo when I shoot it for practice.

I have around 300 rounds through EC9, mostly defensive Sig and Hornady.
 

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I've been carrying an EC9s for the last couple of months. Great for concealment and has been flawless after 300 rounds. I'll second the use of Hogue beaver tail hand grip, fills the hand much better. The only possible downside is the finish. After daily carry in a kydex holster, my slide shows obvious wear. I would expect the same from a leather or fabric holster. (My wife's LC9 show no slide wear after years of pocket carry.) Some would find that a downside. I don't - it's a rather cheap (I paid 237 OTD) carry gun that gets the job done.
 

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Thanks much for all the responses so far. I've read each quickly, and like what I'm reading. I have a comment and a question, but have a busy and important afternoon coming up, so I'll save them for this evening.

Inching closer to putting this pistol at the top of my list. In fact, until a few days ago, my avatar was my 10/22 with a LCRx 3". It's a ... great looking, handsome (?) revolver in my view. But I think the EC9s looks better with the rifle; both semi-auto's and all. (Can we just call it EC9? We all know what the "s" means and it's three easy keystrokes. Hey, you only get so many in life, right?)

This will be the last gun for the foreseeable future, probably even years. Too many other things have higher priority -- like a studio home of my own down on the coast near Fundy. But if I get these two, I'll consider my kit good enough for where I live, and will live next year. Might add a Ranch Rifle in either .223 or .350 Win someday, but that's a ways off and depends on how well I can do this professional thing.
 

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My wife took over my Nano and bought me a Ruger EC9s for a present. I was reluctant to use it but after some members here told me to give it a try. Well with my surprise I ended up becoming a fan. I still prefer my revolvers but the EC9s is still in my weekly range and carry rotation. After 2,500+ rounds it still functions and is dependable. I had to replace the EC9s Guide Rod Assembly part#32 (bent washer after 950 rounds) Ruger replaced for free. I put a Hogues Handall Beefertail Grip Sleeve for the LC9/EC9s on it and it works for me. Painted front site. Have 8 good magazines/2 extended. Trained with it before carry and ended up very happy with the Ruger EC9s. If economics is a factor in your purchase you can’t go wrong with the EC9s. Good for things that go bump in the night and a good carry tool.
*Easy to clean and maintain.
*Polish(lite) the feed ramp.
*limp wristing. Practice as much as possible on your grip.
Small semi-auto handguns need a firm grip and (for me)locked wrist/elbow so that the resultant recoil is being fully used to eject the spent cartridge rather than getting absorbed by the shooter.
 

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Barely made it back tonight before sleep. Long, productive day at work. Ate a large dinner of fried chicken and dressing. Watching a new film on Netflix: The Irishman. (Highly recommended. A brilliant, artistic condensation of mid-20th century history with a focus on "the mob".)

Much appreciating the continued ideas and advice. Thanks.

Two questions for now for those who've painted the sights.

1) front, back or both? And what color?

2) what paint do you recommend? Should I spent $15-30 for 2 oz of space age hi viz stuff, or $4 for some model paint? I'm OK reapplying yearly for $4.
 

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One more question about that Hogue grip sleeve.

This one?
 

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JeffreyR's Hogue grip suggestion is the one I have (beavertail) and like.

FWIW: The only downside to the Hogue grip is that it takes effort to install. They have a video on their web page: heat grip, windex it and grip, use packaging to help ease it in. I really like the Hogue for my large hands.

An alternative is the Pachmyr grip. Less robust, but installs way easier and might be just enough to fit your hands and give slip resistance. I have one on LC9 and like it: just like Hogue better.

Sight painting: I just did the front using some white Testor's paint. You could try putting some on rear sight, but that was too fine work for my fat hands.
 

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Used a dab of bright red Testers on my front sight.
Works fine.
Pistol has been trouble free from the beginning.
Highly recommend it.
Put Talon grips on mine.
 

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I tried painting both the front and back on mine. The back sight came out bad so I left it black. I think it actually helps me pick up the front one faster that way.

I went with an Orange Brite-Mark Medium Tip Paint Marker. First put a coat of white and then the orange. I went with orange because the color works well for me on my Glock 26 with orange Ameriglo front sights. The front sight really jumps out for me.
 

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Here's my take. Get what you want. If this is going to be the last one for years, you are going to want to have what you want. IMO, while $495 is more than say $250, both are enough money for me to want the gun I want. Otherwise you will end up buying the gun you really want in the next year or so.
 

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I have used Glow On for several pairs of sights over the years and truly appreciate the way the paint POPS in the sunshine, but even more the fact that I can put the gun under a table lamp for an hour before I go to bed and have night sights all night long!

Other than that: I recommend the brightest orange or lime/yellow/green cheap nail polish you can find in the sale bin at the grocery or pharmacy. You should be able find a bottle for less than $2.00. There is no need to do a white base coat. Just use 3 to 4 coats of the nail polish, giving each one plenty of time to dry between coats.

If you are going to paint the whole sight blade, use different colors for front and back. I have used either bright orange or super bright light green on the front sight (only) of a few revolvers and it makes a huge difference.

With Glow On you can make dots: The challenge is to get them exactly centered and even.

Just a few things to think about.
 

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I'm still at work for another couple of hours, then dinner. But I've taken a couple of breaks today and read. I feel I'm getting some great advice and ideas here. My thoughts about sight paint have changed several times, and has again!

I'll be back later tonight (if work goes according to plan; tomorrow if not). Keep the comments coming!
 

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When the EC-9 first came out there were a lot of mail order places selling them for around $200 so I thought I'd give it a try.

By the time I left my dealer I had about $250 in the pistol with shipping and FFL transfer fees. I had ordered another magazine and I'm now ready for my first range trip to test out my new carry gun.

I went to my friends ranch on the Guadalupe River where we have a range set up. Me and my pal have settled in at the picnic table and we are plinking away at the targets.
Out of the corner of my eye I see that I'm being watched with great interest.

"Whatcha got there?"
Oh this? My new carry gun....
"I like it, I like it a lot, how much was it?"
Oh, I prolly got a couple of hundred in it.
"Sell it to me"

I handed my pal the EC-9 and he is now pulling out his wallet.
He is an old school Texas Oilman. Who knows how many fortunes he has made and lost in his days. A Wildcat driller, wild as the West Texas wind. Now he is 87 years and can still shoot the head off of a rattlesnake at 20 yards.

He had waited until I had ran a half dozen magazines of various ammo through the EC-9 before staking his claim. He saw that it was performing flawlessly.

"Hang on a second, I got some gun show ammo here in the truck"
I was surprised because in all of the years I've known him I've never seen him shoot anything but a 1911 in .45acp.

He sits a gallon zip lock baggie of full metal jackets on the table and begins to load up the two magazines of his new pistol. On his second shot the pistol jams. He racks the slide, fired another shot and then got another jam.

Only this time he doesn't even try to clear the jam. He just rares back and roundhouses the pistol right into the river, cussing a blue streak. It's a danged good thing I was paying attention where the pistol hit the water cause....

Before I went swimming, I picked up the plastic bag full of ammo. About half of it was 9mm and the other half of it was .380. Yeah, you guessed it. The .380 was what caused the pistol to jam.

I didn't miss a beat when I told him that I reckon that the pistol needed to cool off a bit.
I picked up the bag of gun show ammo and carried it to my truck. I left three boxes of 9mm ammo on the table and slid out of my boots to fetch the pistol.

My pal still carries the EC-9 in his front Wrangler pocket.
Every now and then I'll ask him if he's renched it off lately...brings a grin from him.
 

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/ That's some fine writing, right there, just down below this one.
(Or up above, depending on how you've got your read settings set.)

I got stuck in carnitas tacos, Netflix
and reviewing my work project,
so I didn't get back here.

Tomorrow.
 

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When the EC-9 first came out there were a lot of mail order places selling them for around $200 so I thought I'd give it a try.

By the time I left my dealer I had about $250 in the pistol with shipping and FFL transfer fees. I had ordered another magazine and I'm now ready for my first range trip to test out my new carry gun.

I went to my friends ranch on the Guadalupe River where we have a range set up. Me and my pal have settled in at the picnic table and we are plinking away at the targets.
Out of the corner of my eye I see that I'm being watched with great interest.

"Whatcha got there?"
Oh this? My new carry gun....
"I like it, I like it a lot, how much was it?"
Oh, I prolly got a couple of hundred in it.
"Sell it to me"

I handed my pal the EC-9 and he is now pulling out his wallet.
He is an old school Texas Oilman. Who knows how many fortunes he has made and lost in his days. A Wildcat driller, wild as the West Texas wind. Now he is 87 years and can still shoot the head off of a rattlesnake at 20 yards.

He had waited until I had ran a half dozen magazines of various ammo through the EC-9 before staking his claim. He saw that it was performing flawlessly.

"Hang on a second, I got some gun show ammo here in the truck"
I was surprised because in all of the years I've known him I've never seen him shoot anything but a 1911 in .45acp.

He sits a gallon zip lock baggie of full metal jackets on the table and begins to load up the two magazines of his new pistol. On his second shot the pistol jams. He racks the slide, fired another shot and then got another jam.

Only this time he doesn't even try to clear the jam. He just rares back and roundhouses the pistol right into the river, cussing a blue streak. It's a danged good thing I was paying attention where the pistol hit the water cause....

Before I went swimming, I picked up the plastic bag full of ammo. About half of it was 9mm and the other half of it was .380. Yeah, you guessed it. The .380 was what caused the pistol to jam.

I didn't miss a beat when I told him that I reckon that the pistol needed to cool off a bit.
I picked up the bag of gun show ammo and carried it to my truck. I left three boxes of 9mm ammo on the table and slid out of my boots to fetch the pistol.

My pal still carries the EC-9 in his front Wrangler pocket.
Every now and then I'll ask him if he's renched it off lately...brings a grin from him.

Been through a similar situation.

I demo for CZ. At one event, I was told by the range runner (the guy who carried the pistols out to the range when someone was going to try one) that my Scorpion was broken and wouldn't function.

I carry it out to the range, get 2 bowls of 9mm and proceed to put 20 flawless rounds through the Scorpion. :confused:

Get back to the table to find out that some of the bowls of 9mm had .380 mixed in. A .380 will fire in a Scorpion, but it doesn't stand a chance of fully cycling the bolt.
 
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