[RNettles]

I have been thinking, for a while now, about a 1911A1... and a "Springer" has caught my eye... Mil-Spec Parkerized PB9108LP...

I called a connection today... Out the door $503.21... I am counting my change jar as I speak...

As a sidenote, if Ruger built a P7-1911, I'd be looking at that right now instead! Ruger, take note!

 

[Calvin Wiles]

That is a bad bug that is going around. I just ordered a KP345DPR. Just had to try one. Wife likes hers and the only thing I don't like about it is the Safety and Mag. disconnect. The decocker and losing the Mag. disconnect will take care of that. Its been a while since you bought a new gun. I think you ought to order it where the bug will get better.

 

[sheepdog]

.45 is a lifetime ailment-not just a bug!!

 

[rman]

quote:Originally posted by sheepdog

.45 is a lifetime ailment-not just a bug!!

+1

 

[RNettles]

Here's the other one wondering through my thoughts... Tarus 1911SS...

 

[sheepdog]

Springfield Armory only has about 60 years head start on Taurus.....

 

[Ruffwood]

Looks too much like a show piece. It should be in a glass case for all to admire.

 

[Iowegan]

Springfield Armory isn't THE Springfield armory. The real Springfield Armory was in Springfield, MA and the new one is in Genesco, IL. There is no connection between the two except the new SA stole the name in 1992 after the real US Gov Springfield Armory closed down. That's a mere 15 years of making guns under a false name.

Springfield Armory 1911 parts are made in Brazil and the guns are assembled in Illinois. Taurus guns are totally made in Brazil.

I would love to get my hands on a new Taurus just to see how well they match the Colt specs. Many 1911 types of guns have parts unique to their manufacturer and won't interchange with Colt aftermarket parts.

Taurus has a real "hit and miss" reputation. Their metallurgy can be quite good or really bad. The quality of the parts and workmanship is "iffy" at best. I have seen some nice Taurus guns but I have also worked on a good many that should have never been allowed to escape from the factory. Springers have much better QC but they are not in the same quality class as a Colt.

I have a bunch of 1911s (mostly Colts) in my safe. My best tactical shooter is an AMT Hardballer. My best bullseye gun is a Les Baer. My best carry gun is a Colt Commander. My best "do everything" is the Colt Series 70 Govt Mod below.

 

[TnTut]

I have a Taurus PT145 and it's a fine gun but I haven't had any experience with the Taurus 1911.

 

[rman]

I have a Taurus PT1911 and it's been great so far. Unfortunately I haven't got to put a lot of rounds through it yet. Iowegan has it right I think - some are great and others not so hot. I haven't had any problems with mine but I know a guy whose front sight flew off and another whose slide release broke. On the other hand, Kansas45 has shot his a bunch (3K +) and the last I heard he had no problems with his. I think they had some QC problems early on and that has held up production. Demand far exceeds supply right now.

 

[sheepdog]

Iowegan-didn't know any of that about SA------does that mean the FBI pistols that were so fancy were made in BRAZIL??? Oh, well-it seems that nothing is what it seems anymore...Bell and Howell made the best projection/sound equipment---now the name's on cheap China razors....I've been fooled again...

 

[sheepdog]

Our new "Bird" sent this old dog to the research section, and to customer service at Springfield Armory. They said on the GI-type .45, frames and slides are still manufactured in Brazil and finished and assembled here-the XDs are all completely manufactured in Croatia, and the M1A rifles are all manufactured and assembled in the USA from USA-made parts....I asked if the Brazilian manuf. also made for Taurus and she said she didn't know that.....bittersweet to learn the facts......

 

[Iowegan]

sheepdog, To further complicate things, There was another "Springfield" that was owned by Savage Arms many years ago. Savage marketed the same basic guns in different grades .. Stevens was the low price range, Springfield was the mid-price range and Savage was the higher price range. Fox was also included in some models as the premium grade (shotguns only). The Springfield name was mostly used on 22 rifles and a few shotguns. They never made 1911s.

The "real" Springfield Armory only made a very limited amount of 1911s. Actually, Colt made most of the parts and the Armory assembled them. The Springfield Armory did rebuild a lot of 1911 war guns and also assembled "match grade" 1911s.

Another "stolen" name is ROCK ISLAND ARMORY. The real Rock Island Arsenal is located in Rock Island, IL and is still in full operation. The "new" Rock Island Armory 1911s are made in the Philippines and imported bu Armscor and Charles Daly. Real junk IMHO.

Now if you really like junk 1911s, try a Norinco (made in China).

 

[sheepdog]

Which one made the "Rock Island DEA" rifle????

 

[Tweek]

The DEA rifle isn't 'Rock Island Armory', it's 'Rock River Arms' (http://www.rockriverarms.com/), of Colona IL (to add yet MORE confusion ).

I have one, and it is a fine rifle. Amazing accuracy, and not a single hiccup in close to 1000 rounds.

 

[sheepdog]

Oops-rightyouare!!

 

[kansas45]

I'm getting to be a 1911 nut myself. I had a Springfield Ultra Compact for a year. It was a love/hate relationship. Sometimes I liked it, sometimes I didn't. It did spark an interest in the 1911 though. I traded it a few weeks ago for a XD45 Service. I've had a PT1911 since August. I've put a little over 5000 rounds through it now & haven't had any trouble(except when I tried to fire a round without powder.) I bought a Rock Island Armory 1911 about a week ago. I only have 200 rounds through it, but it works real good. It seems to be a well built pistol & a good platform to work with. It's as plain as you can get. I put a extended mag well on last night. I've cleaned up & polished the trigger parts & adjusted the sear spring. It has a fairly crisp, 4lb pull now. I like working on it. Next comes a new beaver tail, then a new trigger, disconnect, sear & hammer. I hope to get Springfield Mil-Spec or Stainless A1 in a few weeks. A Ruger 1911 would be a real winner!

 

[TnTut]

I have thought about getting a 1911 too. A Ruger 1911 would be sweet.

 

[peace]

A lot of good info has been posted in this thread,
along with some good gun porn; Those 1911's are both sweet guns.
The Springfield is handsome, but the Colt Gov't is just a bad mother shut yo mouth gun!
thanks fellas,
peace

 

[jimbo1096]

RNettles, that Springfield sure has eye appeal. There was one locally I looked at, the grips with the engraving are nice.
I picked this up at a decent price about ten years ago and it was my carry piece for a number of years. Never shot it much as I hated chasing brass but I do like shooting it, fills the hand nicely.

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