Gun Logic
Eleven teens die each day because of texting while driving. Maybe it’s time to raise the age of smart phone ownership to 21.
If gun control laws actually worked, Chicago would be Mayberry, USA.
The Second Amendment makes more women equal than the entire feminist movement.
Legal gun owners have 300 million guns and probably a trillion rounds of ammo. Seriously, if they were the problem, you’d know it.
When JFK was killed, no one blamed the gun.
The NRA murders 0 people and received $0 in government funds. Planned Parenthood kills 350,000 babies every year and receives $500 million in tax dollars annually.
I have no problem with vigorous background checks when it comes to firearms. While we’re at it, let’s do the same for immigration, Voter ID and candidates running for office.
If gun control laws actually worked, Chicago would be Mayberry, USA.
The Second Amendment makes more women equal than the entire feminist movement.
Legal gun owners have 300 million guns and probably a trillion rounds of ammo. Seriously, if they were the problem, you’d know it.
When JFK was killed, no one blamed the gun.
The NRA murders 0 people and received $0 in government funds. Planned Parenthood kills 350,000 babies every year and receives $500 million in tax dollars annually.
I have no problem with vigorous background checks when it comes to firearms. While we’re at it, let’s do the same for immigration, Voter ID and candidates running for office.
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Nothing worse than nuts on a sundae. 🤣Man, some of you fellows would mess up a bowl of ice cream...
Iihs estimates per state for obvious reasons. Usually something like 10-20 deaths per 100k population per year. Looking at local to me data, that would be close to 90 per year in MY area. Of those, 60% have a distraction element. Of those a striking 70% are teens. So in my area crunching the numbers there 37 per year in MY area. Hard data to get. And that is part of the problem.
So in my area except on leap years we have 37.8÷365 per day, or .10364. My area is maybe a 100 mile square in the usa. Doing the math from actual stats says my area contribiutes .10364 per day to the number. Again, my area is 100 sq miles.
3.797 million square miles of the usa. Divided by 100 square miles is 37970 x .1036 actually equals 3932 per day. Average. But we are not allowed to do math like this because, if you said 3932 deaths by distacted teen drivers a day (24 hour period) on average someone would do the math for an unpopulated place and cry foul. And rightly so because not every 100 sq mile area is having .1036 dead teens per day due to distracted driving.
Further crunching will get you close to 12 per day. But it is a heavily watered down number.
Forbes... "3000 deaths per year in car accidents from distracted driving, this accounts for between 8 and 9 % of all fatal motor vehicle collisions in the usa" is not very accurate, but as an estimate it is 8.2 per day.
Somewhere between 3932 and 8.2 per day is WAY more than teens killed by firearms.
So in my area except on leap years we have 37.8÷365 per day, or .10364. My area is maybe a 100 mile square in the usa. Doing the math from actual stats says my area contribiutes .10364 per day to the number. Again, my area is 100 sq miles.
3.797 million square miles of the usa. Divided by 100 square miles is 37970 x .1036 actually equals 3932 per day. Average. But we are not allowed to do math like this because, if you said 3932 deaths by distacted teen drivers a day (24 hour period) on average someone would do the math for an unpopulated place and cry foul. And rightly so because not every 100 sq mile area is having .1036 dead teens per day due to distracted driving.
Further crunching will get you close to 12 per day. But it is a heavily watered down number.
Forbes... "3000 deaths per year in car accidents from distracted driving, this accounts for between 8 and 9 % of all fatal motor vehicle collisions in the usa" is not very accurate, but as an estimate it is 8.2 per day.
Somewhere between 3932 and 8.2 per day is WAY more than teens killed by firearms.
gvthnks, Yes, you are being a jerk. Would it make any difference if there were 10 deaths a day or 15 a day from cell phone distraction?
Stinkey Pete, To prove a point, you just got a light sentence .... 7 days in digital jail.
Stinkey Pete, To prove a point, you just got a light sentence .... 7 days in digital jail.
I just dunno. For some reason I keep getting surprised when a group with a huge common interest take a great post and somehow turn it into a "mess". It happens too often........ come on guys. Great post Mr. Iowegan....................... I too intend to use your data..............
gvthnks, Yes, you are being a jerk. Would it make any difference if there were 10 deaths a day or 15 a day from cell phone distraction?
Of course it wouldn't. They're all bad. My point is simply that the folks I argue with about this sort of stuff are smart enough to look at numbers for themselves, which makes sense. I'd just like an arguable number from a reputable source that I can counter their crap arguments.
I.I.H.S.Of course it wouldn't. They're all bad. My point is simply that the folks I argue with about this sort of stuff are smart enough to look at numbers for themselves, which makes sense. I'd just like an arguable number from a reputable source that I can counter their crap arguments.
Insurance Institute for Highway Safety has all the data anyone needs.
NHTSA
Us dot (department of transportation) also a very good source.
If you are quoting the 11 per day, understand that as tragic as that would be, it is not a statistically large number (4,000 per year) when gun deaths are typically between 36,000 and 40,000 (not counting for age). Since gun deaths did not differentiate for age, I would not do so for distracted driving (and didn't). I think the original post was a little tongue in cheek with some serious undertones.State Farm uses NHSTA as the source on for their information. The problem is that they link to this page, which shows for the year 2020, less than one teen per day killed due to distracted driving.
excerpt from the linked webpage...
In 2020, there were 265 people who died in crashes that involved distracted teen drivers 15 to 19.
In 2020, there were 186 teens 15 to 19 who were killed in distraction-affected crashes. (no indication that Texting was the single source of the distractions)
In 2020, there were 239 distracted teen drivers 15 to 19 involved in fatal crashes.
Those numbers are from singlular but different linear analysis of the data so the numbers 265, 286, and 239 are not cumulative. If they were, the total would still be less than 2 per day.
So is there another source that I can use to quote 11 per day? Again, not trying to be a jerk, but I hate when the left throws numbers out there simply for affect. I don't want to do the same thing.
I get it, completely. I was half hoping there was a legitimate source for the number, not that I would want it to be true, but so that it can be a useful number.I think the original post was a little tongue in cheek with some serious undertones.
On a different note, someone mentioned earlier, "Nuts on a sundae". That's funny and I hadn't heard that one before.
I get it, completely. I was half hoping there was a legitimate source for the number, not that I would want it to be true, but so that it can be a useful number.
On a different note, someone mentioned earlier, "Nuts on a sundae". That's funny and I hadn't heard that one before.
Ruined 
One of the many things the anti gun creeps do that really torques my jaw is that they always mention that 45,000 or whatever people are killed via guns but 2/3rds of those are suicides. Creeps never mention that.
Japan has harsh anti gun laws yet similar or higher suicide rates. If someone wants out of this life, they will find a way. Firearms are just more effective than many alternatives.
Stop the "common sense" phrase, damned little about the anti gun clowns is common sense. Don
Japan has harsh anti gun laws yet similar or higher suicide rates. If someone wants out of this life, they will find a way. Firearms are just more effective than many alternatives.
Stop the "common sense" phrase, damned little about the anti gun clowns is common sense. Don
The other thing they never mention is VERY telling. Take democratic stonghold cities with strict gun law out of the equation, and magic happens.....One of the many things the anti gun creeps do that really torques my jaw is that they always mention that 45,000 or whatever people are killed via guns but 2/3rds of those are suicides. Creeps never mention that.
Japan has harsh anti gun laws yet similar or higher suicide rates. If someone wants out of this life, they will find a way. Firearms are just more effective than many alternatives.
Stop the "common sense" phrase, damned little about the anti gun clowns is common sense. Don
That was my point with the iihs numbers. Data that ins. co's actually use.
For what it is worth, if we are quoting numbers, here's something from the Pew Research Center:If you are quoting the 11 per day, understand that as tragic as that would be, it is not a statistically large number (4,000 per year) when gun deaths are typically between 36,000 and 40,000 (not counting for age). Since gun deaths did not differentiate for age, I would not do so for distracted driving (and didn't). I think the original post was a little tongue in cheek with some serious undertones.
What share of U.S. gun deaths are murders and what share are suicides?
Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2021, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (26,328), while 43% were murders (20,958), according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were accidental (549), involved law enforcement (537) or had undetermined circumstances (458).
Out of those 20,000 murders, 16,000 are known to be gang related. Brings us full circle to that 4,000 number, which by the way, is not mine. I just did a quick search to find the study I posted from curiosity. I've seen those numbers from Pew Research before. Thank for posting.For what it is worth, if we are quoting numbers, here's something from the Pew Research Center:
What share of U.S. gun deaths are murders and what share are suicides?
Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2021, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (26,328), while 43% were murders (20,958), according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were accidental (549), involved law enforcement (537) or had undetermined circumstances (458).
JFK's death by a "Mail Order" military surplus rifle led directly to the passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act ... no more people buying cheap guns from Klien's Sporting Goods through The American Rifleman magazine , published by the NRA . In a backhanded manner someone put some of the blame on the gun .
But we all know that is stupid thinking ... none of my guns have ever jumped up and shot anyone !
Let's say it again ... Guns don't kill people , people / criminals kill people .
But you and I know ..."they" ain't listening .
The first step in enslaving a Nation is to disarm the people !
Think about what I just wrote ... The first step ...
Never follow any group who wishes to disarm you .
Gary
But we all know that is stupid thinking ... none of my guns have ever jumped up and shot anyone !
Let's say it again ... Guns don't kill people , people / criminals kill people .
But you and I know ..."they" ain't listening .
The first step in enslaving a Nation is to disarm the people !
Think about what I just wrote ... The first step ...
Never follow any group who wishes to disarm you .
Gary
Yes and cowardly Teddy Kennedy killed more with his car in a drunken stupor than any on this board. Not PC to blame the creep. DonJFK's death by a "Mail Order" military surplus rifle led directly to the passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act ... no more people buying cheap guns from Klien's Sporting Goods through The American Rifleman magazine , published by the NRA . In a backhanded manner someone put some of the blame on the gun .
But we all know that is stupid thinking ... none of my guns have ever jumped up and shot anyone !
Let's say it again ... Guns don't kill people , people / criminals kill people .
But you and I know ..."they" ain't listening .
The first step in enslaving a Nation is to disarm the people !
Think about what I just wrote ... The first step ...
Never follow any group who wishes to disarm you .
Gary
The liberals think that gun control will deter murder by firearms.
What's next, are they going to outlaw candlesticks... and butlers?
What's next, are they going to outlaw candlesticks... and butlers?
Lowegan, you are right on the money! NOBODY could say or compare stats better than that! I would say that Pinocchio JoBama Bidumb should read this and think about it but I doubt if Pinocchio knows how to read.Eleven teens die each day because of texting while driving. Maybe it’s time to raise the age of smart phone ownership to 21.
If gun control laws actually worked, Chicago would be Mayberry, USA.
The Second Amendment makes more women equal than the entire feminist movement.
Legal gun owners have 300 million guns and probably a trillion rounds of ammo. Seriously, if they were the problem, you’d know it.
When JFK was killed, no one blamed the gun.
The NRA murders 0 people and received $0 in government funds. Planned Parenthood kills 350,000 babies every year and receives $500 million in tax dollars annually.
I have no problem with vigorous background checks when it comes to firearms. While we’re at it, let’s do the same for immigration, Voter ID and candidates running for office.
What share of U.S. gun deaths are murders and what share are suicides?
Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2021, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (26,328), while 43% were murders (20,958), according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were accidental (549), involved law enforcement (537) or had undetermined circumstances (458).
You see the CDC's clever gaslighting with their figures. The CDC is telling us there were zero self-defense shootings. They're effectively calling self-defense murder.
The other thing that really torques me is the way gang fights are now called "mass shootings," as if those 16,000 killed in gang fights were actually innocent victims of a tranny who went beserk.
One other point about it being the person, not the gun. There are all those suicides. All those people who had guns and who had nothing to lose . . .
Left-wing extremism linked to psychopathy and narcissism: study
“Individuals with dark personalities — such as high narcissistic and psychopathic traits — are attracted to certain forms of political and social activism.”
nypost.com
Some of us made our superior officers, NC and others, grow up too.
I'd hate a draft. I served with too many volunteers that were in it only for the GI Bill. They chose to serve and were some of the biggest POS's you'd meet. I can't imagine how bad they'd be if they were forced to serve against their will.
On the other hand, basic training made me do some much needed growing up. It would work for some but not all. Put em on the front lines and watch them sink or swim.
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