I have watched several videos on Hi Point pistols. Almost anyone you talk to will say "junk." I am no expert or even really educated on Hi Points. From the videos, they seem to be accurate, reliable and defiantly ugly. From what I have heard they have an excellent warranty. There is a video series on the 9 and 380 where iraqverteran888 does everything to destroy these guns. The 380 did not last long after being tossed in a mud, slime and cow poop bucket. The 9.....well go to youtube and check out hi Point torture test by iraqverteran888. So, I am very much thinking about buying one. Why not? $125-150 bucks for a pistol. from 380-45 same price. I would like to hear from you guys that own one (or many) and post pics. About the Hi Point carbines, I don't know much. I have two friends that own the carbine 9mm. They love them. One guy takes his camping and coneing. He has dropped it and had to get it off the river bottom several times. He says it has never FTF or FTE.