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I have a renaissance wax addiction. Sometimes out of the blue I will get my pistols out and apply the REN. wax and buff them out while watching TV. Sometimes I only do my favorites, other times I do them all (9) . Then I put them back where they belong and I’m happy. I think I have some neat pistols and I’m proud of them. My oldest is a S&W .22 masterpiece. (1941). One of my favorites is a
S&W nickel 38 special M&P revolver. My Ruger line is the single six , Blackhawk, MK 1, P95, and a 1966 10/22 rifle.
 

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Corndog brought up a good point about first shot accuracy versus firing a couple fouling shots. I've found pretty much the same ..... my POI didn't change radically .... maybe a couple MOA at the most with my Rem 700s. I have a custom 7x57 Mauser that has a highly polished bore. When I shoot it with a clean bore, it hits the bullseye dead nuts and continues to hit dead nuts in subsequent shots. If I don't clean the bore after a range session, my first few shots will be a couple MOA off. I like the first shot to be dead nuts, so I give the bore a good scrubbing after each range session.
I have a Mosin Nagant for which I actually have to punch the bore after every five rounds, or the groups will open up into something as big as a basketball. For the first five rounds, I'll get great groups of a bit under two inches at 100 yards, but it's all over the place after that.

I do, however, use a bunch of surplus spam can ammo from the '70s when I shoot it. When looking down the bore after firing each of the five rounds, it almost looks like I just got done firing black powder. My guess is that the fouling gets so heavy that it has a deleterious effect on consistency of POI.

I haven't run new commercial ammo ammo through it for comparisons sake, but I was wondering if those in invisible striations would cause fouling to accumulate more quickly because the other Mosin Nagant doesn't experience the same build-up as this one in question when I run the spam can ammo through it.
 

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Even my 1947 .22lr is just as tight today as it was in 1947 (per records of my grandfather) . It is a very.... "in touch with history" feeling to keep guns multi generationally. Not only in body, but functional as well. I reckon this fall this old gal will bag a few squirells again. 75 years in a row across 3 shoulders. On the left. My son (he is 29) will get it next, hopefully he has my other 13 guns (2 yet to be bought) for years after I am long gone too. I posted the bore a few weeks ago in my post about bore scopes. Looks like new. Rifling and all
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Even my 1947 .22lr is just as tight today as it was in 1947 (per records of my grandfather) . It is a very.... "in touch with history" feeling to keep guns multi generationally. Not only in body, but functional as well. I reckon this fall this old gal will bag a few squirells again. 75 years in a row across 3 shoulders. On the left. My son (he is 29) will get it next, hopefully he has my other 13 guns (2 yet to be bought) for years after I am long gone too. I posted the bore a few weeks ago in my post about bore scopes. Looks like new. Rifling and all View attachment 175322
Made when they used real wood. Very nice 22.
 

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Made when they used real wood. Very nice 22.
Its true! But I am a fan of just about every gun. I like new fangled, and I like old fashioned. The only guns I don't like are one of two things...
Poorly accurate.
Poorly functional.
Only gun I ever sold was due to after a few shots on m855, it would send them further and further left as it warmed up. And I STILL regret getting rid of it instead of just swapping the upper.
 

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Redhawk 100. I think you are absolutely correct. Bullet damage is one of the leading causes of accuracy issues with any rifle. Carbon particles in powder residue will accumulate in a bore and can definitely corrupt a bullet. Mosin Nagants are known for having lots of striations in the bore. I've seen a few with polished bores that were used as sniper rifles in WWII, which proves they can be exceptionally accurate, even with WWII Spam can ammo.
 
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Redhawk 100. I think you are absolutely correct. Bullet damage is one of the leading causes of accuracy issues with any rifle. Carbon particles in powder residue will accumulate in a bore and can definitely corrupt a bullet. Mosin Nagants are known for having lots of striations in the bore. I've seen a few with polished bores that were used as sniper rifles in WWII, which proves they can be exceptionally accurate, even with WWII Spam can ammo.
Thanks for helping make some sense of that. I'm hoping that the bore smooths out with use.
 

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Some times I only shoot a dozen rounds to check for safety, I am excessive compulsive person by heart/ I have no idea where that came from just dealt with it all my life/ Question how often should I clean my gun? I don,t want to clean it to death by wear and tear of brass/bronze bristles, maybe a few swipes of gun oil? Ron.
Depends on how much powder residue is left on the weapon.
 

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I really don’t have a dog in this hunt, I find cleaning a firearm therapeutic so fired or unfired they’ll find their way to the cleaning station. :)
 

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Some times I only shoot a dozen rounds to check for safety, I am excessive compulsive person by heart/ I have no idea where that came from just dealt with it all my life/ Question how often should I clean my gun? I don,t want to clean it to death by wear and tear of brass/bronze bristles, maybe a few swipes of gun oil? Ron.
Ignore all other advice! My way is the best😎
Seriously, I clean after every range session, which frankly is unnecessary but just personal preference, but I go easy on the barrel. Hose it down with Ballistol, run a snake 2-3x, clean rest of pistol with Ballistol, lightly lube rails and all contact points, wipe it down, function check, put it away. . Very occasionally I will use a nylon brush.
Ballistol and snake are your friends.
Some YouTube pistol cleaning videos are absurd. Guy scrubs barrel, runs patch after patch until last patch is clean as driven snow. The video is 30 mins. Maybe for a competition benchrest rifle, but not for a pistol.
My routine takes 10 minutes, and I’m 66 and mechanically inept.
I shoot a LOT, hundreds of rounds per week and my guns look brand new with no material signs of wear and function great.
 

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Some times I only shoot a dozen rounds to check for safety, I am excessive compulsive person by heart/ I have no idea where that came from just dealt with it all my life/ Question how often should I clean my gun? I don,t want to clean it to death by wear and tear of brass/bronze bristles, maybe a few swipes of gun oil? Ron.
I’m pretty anal, I clean my firearms every time I fire them. I figure that’s not too big a price to insure they work and are accurate if I ever need them.
 

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There's kind of a difference to me between how often should you clean guns and how often do they need to be cleaned. How often should you clean them is however often you feel like you should be it every time you finish shooting or even between each shot if you're so inclined. How often do they actually need cleaning is a whole different story.

They need cleaning at the point right before they malfunction or at the point where accuracy degrades. Usually I clean my revolvers after each outing. If not a full clean, at least a good wipe down (mine are all stainless). My semi-autos get a basic wipe down and that's it until two or three outings when they get a full cleanings. My rifles may get a wipe down of parts but NEVER get the barrel cleaned until accuracy degrades. A dirty barrel is an accurate barrel. Unless it's something like my trapdoor which gets a barrel cleaning each outing. With the exception of my little .22lr semi auto pistol, my semi autos will function perfectly for hundreds and hundreds of rounds. There's no point in cleaning them after each use other than it makes me feel better sometimes.
 

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Some times I only shoot a dozen rounds to check for safety, I am excessive compulsive person by heart/ I have no idea where that came from just dealt with it all my life/ Question how often should I clean my gun? I don,t want to clean it to death by wear and tear of brass/bronze bristles, maybe a few swipes of gun oil? Ron.
You don't want any oil in the bore of a firearm, unless you are not planning on shooting it for a while.

I like using 100% cotton flannel. I went with my wife to JoAnn Fabrics, because they specialize in 100% cotton flannel.
I wanted snow white to show the dirt, no luck. No luck with cream. I ended up getting several yards of peach. I had my wife cut it into 6" by 6" squares (she knows how to cut fabric) and put the stack in a gallon freezer bag. Presto, life-time supply of gun cleaning patches.

I cut a patch to fit over a brass jag. You want it snug. I use Dewey cleaning rods with black plastic coating. You don't want a steel cleaning rod coming into contact with the bore. The preceding sentence should have been forwarded to the US military. The number one way to wreck a firearm is with a steel cleaning rod rubbing against the muzzle portion of the bore.

You don't need anything on the patch if you only shot your firearm 12 times. Just dry patch it with 100% cotton flannel.
Did I mention that I like 100% cotton flannel? Ha! Ha!
 

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I clean every time I shoot it. Once a month it gets wiped down and re-lubed if I don't fire it.
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I totally agree with you.
I am shooting since I have 10 years old and now I am 67. I clean it after every shoot, doesn't matter 1 or 1000 rounds.
I love my guns and I like to have it clean and in good shape and ready to use. I thrust in theirs.
 

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Some times I only shoot a dozen rounds to check for safety, I am excessive compulsive person by heart/ I have no idea where that came from just dealt with it all my life/ Question how often should I clean my gun? I don,t want to clean it to death by wear and tear of brass/bronze bristles, maybe a few swipes of gun oil? Ron.
properly lubricated and wipe the firearm down with an oily rag after use to prevent corrosion. A self defense weapon maybe a little more care. My Dad was an avid bird hunter. I can’t remember him ever cleaning his shotgun. It always fired.
 

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There are so many methods of cleaning and just as many as to when to clean. My carry or home defense guns get cleaned every time they are used, period. Others are not used as often so they get cleaned when I get to them but I don't let any of them sit without being cleaned for long periods of time.

As to cleaning methods, first off you don't want any kind of rod touching the interior of your barrel! Ever. That is what will wear the barrel out and older, improperly cleaned guns will show this wear. Most especially you don't want any part of the rod to contact the muzzle as this will destroy accuracy faster than anything else. Of course, if have an old, beat up shooter, it probably won't make any difference but you should still get in the habit!

Contrary to popular belief, if you have a match or hand lapped barrel, a bronze brush will leave tiny scratches in the barrel that are visible with a bore scope. Not something you could ever notice on a lumpy, chatter marked factory barrel and something that would literally take years to affect your accuracy but off hand, I would say that most benchresters only use nylon brushes and chemicals to clean their barrels and leave the bronze brushes to the pistol barrels. Especially if you shoot bare lead bullets, a bronze brush is a virtual necessity as there are no chemicals that will remove lead (ok, the electro-reverse plating will but it is not just chemicals!). Copper and carbon deposits can be removed from a barrel these days with just chemical action with no scrubbing necessary! How you apply them and how long you let them sit in the barrel is usually dictated by the rifle. I have a couple of rifles that like to be down to bare metal and some that like anywhere from 5 or more fouling shots before they settle in and shoot their best. Some will shoot a bunch of rounds before accuracy deteriorates and some will only shoot 20 before things get funky. You rifle will tell you what it likes if you listen well... and know what to listen for. Accurate rimfire guns are in a whole different category and often require the owner to jump thru all kinds of hoops to remain accurate. I'm talking really accurate, not your average 10/22 or Marlin factory rifle. But even those will often like a particular brand of ammo they will shoot especially well, if you're willing to go thru the process and look! If you are just plinking, any ammo will do! If you want minute of squirrel eyeball at 50 yards, it may take some work. And money! But that's a whole 'nuther ball game!

Keeping your guns clean and well maintained should be something every marksman wants. Those who never clean or just clean when the guns malfunction are just lazy, although that's actually ok these days as the quality of most modern firearms and ammunition allow that to be a thing. Whatever lights your candle or floats your boat. The only exception, in my opinion, is home defense or carry guns, which should always be cleaned and maintained after each use. After all, your life may depend on it!
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"Some problems could only exist thanks to the internet."
- unknown wiseman (or me)

Back in the day, we would read the manual and do what it indicated. If the gun was used, you might call the company for a manual. If it was a milsurp, you would ask the nice old guy at the gunshop. Maybe it's me but it seems like we generally over-complicate things these days.

I learned how to shoot and maintain weapons from my dad- a Marine- so I grew up assuming one cleaned his weapon every time it was fired. Despite all the stories on the web, I have never seen a rifle cleaned to death. I have seen some bores shot to death, especially with corrosive ammo. I have seen a few over-lubed or lubed with an inappropriate lubricant. But I have never seen one that was too clean.

Shoot well. Clean and lube your weapon. Be safe and enjoy life. :cool:
 
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