We don't have to be criminals now-the law will surely be signed by our President Bush---no more can the police who can't protect us come and disarm us during times of national disaster or local disaster such as Katrina...I watched what they did in N.O. and decided it wouldn't happen to me-no matter who came to the door---several states have passed the law already-but not mine, so I'm glad to see it as a Federal law.....the idiocy-half the N.O. cops went home-a percentage looted, they didn't have enough to protect people so they shipped cops in from as far away as Ca....then used them to take guns away from people in their own homes...no decent words express my opinion on that...now I won't have to face my friendly neighborhood cops at the front door doing something they don't want to do...one important battle won...on with the war. Thank God for Congress having enough common sense to pass this-and a real American who'll sign it!!!
Law passes House and Senate!!
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We should not forget that N.O. was an example of what our society will be like any time there is a disaster of any kind. We better be like the Boy Scouts."Be Prepared"
There're always flies and buzzards-just waiting-our society is full of them. On 9/11-I told the guy I worked for at the pawn shop-watch out for the locals-they'll know the cops are busy and rob-sure enough-the Radio Shack by us got hit that afternoon----I think N.O. woke a few people up-we're just one event away from the same-little towns are better than big ones in that respect.
Sheepdog, you once said if the manure hit the auger we'ld be in a world of hurt. When I retired I considered selling my house and buying a place in Hot Springs, Montana, about 25 miles from my sister. Last summer I drove over there and took the cut off road into that on my way to my sisters place and it looked better than before. Its nested back against the Bitterroot mountains, lots of open and wooded land around there. I know the better half would never consent to that so its just a"I wished I hadda" thing. Those people back there are our kinda people and the baddies wouldn't stand a chance. You are right{little towns are better than big ones}
I'd like to get back up in the mountians where I belong, but that's not going to happen. Married a flatlander. Surprised me during Katrina though, she said we would go out fighting as she wasn't giving her guns to anybody. As much as we love and respect our Military and Police. We will not give them our guns, and I don't care who orders it. Guess we'll see what happens.
I'm not sure I'm happy about this unnecessary law. Now that it's in place, it establishes even more firmly that the government gives us our gun rights... and the government can just as easily take them away.
We just keep sliding further and further from the Founding Fathers' intentions, and the power of the Second Ammendment. And, sadly, we rejoice about it.
We just keep sliding further and further from the Founding Fathers' intentions, and the power of the Second Ammendment. And, sadly, we rejoice about it.
I believe what they've done is given us some protection against those who would deny us our second amendmant rights . Those being the same people who are traitors to our country and the thousands who have died protecting us and our free way of life. I see no reason whatsoever why they would want to do that except for ignorance, stupidity or being an enemy agent. Sorry for the venting but I Don't understand why people would keep them in office, but to greedily try to get something for nothing.
Baldy-good for your wife on the guns- The better half here doesn't want anything to do with them. I'm a flat lander myself but I love the mountains [ less than 80 miles from here]. We go to my sisters place in Montana and have a great time exploring and hiking. She lives on the side of a mountain near Polson.
RugerDog, my rejoicing is that they're not going to send my friends the police out to get my guns-the law doesn't give me any right I didn't already have-just kept someone from dying trying to violate my existing right. I read it as the government admits it has no right to try to take my guns away...just my view on it. Having said that-I prefer a Vermont attitude-but our gov't has been allowed to get away from that-this law is a step closer to that.
Sheepdog, I wish it were that simple. The fact that they passed the law indicates that they thought we didn't have enough protection under the Second Ammendment - that we needed their law to prevent them from taking our guns. They've now established the precedent. Now, it's simply a matter of getting a different Congress who decides to revoke this law; then, what are we left with?
We're establishing the precedent that the Government giveth, and the Government taketh away. This is a far cry from a God-given inalienable right.
We're establishing the precedent that the Government giveth, and the Government taketh away. This is a far cry from a God-given inalienable right.
We operate on checks and balances-the legislative branch just told the executive branch that they could not take our guns-they made the correction just as the founding fathers intended-to keep the gov't from being tyrants-the system worked fine. The fact that it is already our right is not in question-we the people just had to remind mayors, governors, and police that they aren't going to take that right. They didn't take anything -or give anything-just reminded the executive branch what we already have and told them to keep their hands off. Our duly elected representatives did their job so it wouldn't be reduced to a shootout at the front door. I'm happy with that.
Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independance [ Governments are instituted among men, derives their just power from the consent of the GOVERNED; that when any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it. (meaning the government)]. All the people should who want ot keep living in a free country should cast their votes on election day for the studied candidate of their choice. This is the only way we can keep our constitutional rights.
This thread is deteriorating into a Dog discussion...
Sheepdog, although I agree with your line of thought, the fallacy is that the executive branch ignored the Constitution, which trumps any law passed by Congress. No reason to believe they wouldn't ignore this law as well, and come up with justification for it.
My concern is that now that they've passed this law, if it's allowed to stand, it could be interpreted as pre-empting the protections granted in the Consitution. And, if it becomes the governing law, it's subject to change by a majority of the Congress; a much easier prospect than ammending the Constitution.
The Constitution is beautifully clear in it's statement - "shall not be infringed".
Sheepdog, although I agree with your line of thought, the fallacy is that the executive branch ignored the Constitution, which trumps any law passed by Congress. No reason to believe they wouldn't ignore this law as well, and come up with justification for it.
My concern is that now that they've passed this law, if it's allowed to stand, it could be interpreted as pre-empting the protections granted in the Consitution. And, if it becomes the governing law, it's subject to change by a majority of the Congress; a much easier prospect than ammending the Constitution.
The Constitution is beautifully clear in it's statement - "shall not be infringed".
Well, I'm sending up a howl if you don't quit putting your paws all over my opinion-fang you very much! I wouldn't say the topic was deteriorating-just whining down. Just keep your mangy ideas to yourself and don't expect me to throw you a bone....Uh oh--here come the dogcatcher-shake a leg!
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