Anybody beside me use lazer sights[?] I been using mind since last Christmas and they helped a lot up to about 30'. I use them on a SP101/357 and they are Crimson Lazer sights. Put me back in the 10 ring more than before. The eyes are going to pot. Anybody else out there use them[?][^][?]
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Anybody beside me use lazer sights[?] I been using mind since last Christmas and they helped a lot up to about 30'. I use them on a SP101/357 and they are Crimson Lazer sights. Put me back in the 10 ring more than before. The eyes are going to pot. Anybody else out there use them[?][^][?]
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A couple years ago, I bought a set of Trijicon night sights for my Beretta 96. The first thing I found out, when it was dark enough for the sights to show up decent, it was too dark to see the target. Not a very safe situation. I left the $100 sights on the Mod 96 but I wish I wouldn't have wasted my money. Pretty useless in a non-law enforcement environment plus they don't present near as good of sight picture in daylight.
Next I bought a nice Laser Aim that mounts on the accessory rail of my SIG P-220. It works perfect indoors or outdoors on an overcast day. In full sunlight, the laser dot is hard to find at distances beyond 20 feet and would get you in real trouble if this were your only sighting system. The good news is you still have your standard iron sights to use in daylight.
I'm convinced lasers are the way to go for a house gun, indoor range gun, or a carry gun (only with the Crimson Trace). Besides being an aiming device, they also are very intimidating to a bad guy plus the blinding effect. Additionally, you can shoot the gun from most any position. If the red dot is on target, you're going to hit it. They do help illuminate the target so it makes it easier to tell an intruder from your mother-in-law. (although sometimes that could be one in the same)
Lasers that mount on an accessory rail or clamp-ons do have their drawbacks. You can't really holster them and even if you could, drawing would be a real thrill. Crimson Trace lasers that mount in the grip pannel are the cat's ass. No problem with holstering, they activate when you grip the gun, and they hold zero very well. Don't even think about the ones that clamp on the trigger guard. Pure junk.
Even the very expensive model lasers don't project well in day light. They use batteries so you don't want to be in a critical situation and have the battery peter out.
Most states outlaw the use of lasers for hunting. I could see a real advantage hunting ***** at night but for daylight hunting, lasers would be pretty worthless.
Some other issues: Rail mounted lasers are about an inch below bore line. If you sight the laser in too close, you will shoot way low at a distance. It's best to sight them in for 25 yards. Your POI will be within an inch from the muzzle out to about 50 yards. Same goes for Crimson Trace. They mount off to the side of bore line so if you sight them in too close, your gun will shoot way right at a distance. Sight-in is a breeze. Assuming your iron sights are set properly, just aim at a target 25 yards away and adjust the laser until the iron sights and laser are at the same POA. No need to fire a shot.
Next I bought a nice Laser Aim that mounts on the accessory rail of my SIG P-220. It works perfect indoors or outdoors on an overcast day. In full sunlight, the laser dot is hard to find at distances beyond 20 feet and would get you in real trouble if this were your only sighting system. The good news is you still have your standard iron sights to use in daylight.
I'm convinced lasers are the way to go for a house gun, indoor range gun, or a carry gun (only with the Crimson Trace). Besides being an aiming device, they also are very intimidating to a bad guy plus the blinding effect. Additionally, you can shoot the gun from most any position. If the red dot is on target, you're going to hit it. They do help illuminate the target so it makes it easier to tell an intruder from your mother-in-law. (although sometimes that could be one in the same)
Lasers that mount on an accessory rail or clamp-ons do have their drawbacks. You can't really holster them and even if you could, drawing would be a real thrill. Crimson Trace lasers that mount in the grip pannel are the cat's ass. No problem with holstering, they activate when you grip the gun, and they hold zero very well. Don't even think about the ones that clamp on the trigger guard. Pure junk.
Even the very expensive model lasers don't project well in day light. They use batteries so you don't want to be in a critical situation and have the battery peter out.
Most states outlaw the use of lasers for hunting. I could see a real advantage hunting ***** at night but for daylight hunting, lasers would be pretty worthless.
Some other issues: Rail mounted lasers are about an inch below bore line. If you sight the laser in too close, you will shoot way low at a distance. It's best to sight them in for 25 yards. Your POI will be within an inch from the muzzle out to about 50 yards. Same goes for Crimson Trace. They mount off to the side of bore line so if you sight them in too close, your gun will shoot way right at a distance. Sight-in is a breeze. Assuming your iron sights are set properly, just aim at a target 25 yards away and adjust the laser until the iron sights and laser are at the same POA. No need to fire a shot.
I bought a el cheapo one for my P345 but haven't tried it out yet. I plan on buying a SP101 and will probably look into getting the Crimson ones for that.quote:Originally posted by Baldy
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What type of laser did you mount onto your 345? You have the model with the rail on the bottom don't you? I don't, never mind. Does anyone make a guide rod laser for Rugers?
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My wife's SP101 .38 Spcl wears a pair of the Crimson Trace. I haven't put a set on my much bigger personal choice for house gun. I'm torn between that eternal choice of more guns and accessories for the one that I already have. Which one would I put a set on? Let's see, there's the P93, the Redhawk .44 mag, and the old Remington 870 12 Ga.--difficult choice!
Have any of you used lasermax's products? I saw an interesting low profile rail-mounted laser there. What do y'all think? http://www.lasermax-inc.com/product.php?id=104
+1 on Iowegan,
If i ever went to one of these it would be tha laser grip style so no holster problems.
One word of caution with any add-on to a rail. Make sure your weapon is 100% reliable with the attachment in place. Years back some officers got the m-2 lights for their glock 22's and suddenly those fantastic never jam glocks would choke every 3 o 4 rounds. Seems something was not quite right and affected performance--witnessed this myself. Glock susposedly cured it with a different something or other dealing with the guide rod/spring arrangment.
Also--don't get too dependant on that dot and be caught up concentrating on finding it instead of watching your target and his hands.----and hope the perp ain't wearing a red shirt!
If i ever went to one of these it would be tha laser grip style so no holster problems.
One word of caution with any add-on to a rail. Make sure your weapon is 100% reliable with the attachment in place. Years back some officers got the m-2 lights for their glock 22's and suddenly those fantastic never jam glocks would choke every 3 o 4 rounds. Seems something was not quite right and affected performance--witnessed this myself. Glock susposedly cured it with a different something or other dealing with the guide rod/spring arrangment.
Also--don't get too dependant on that dot and be caught up concentrating on finding it instead of watching your target and his hands.----and hope the perp ain't wearing a red shirt!
This is very known problem for those. Although I personally like 9mil Glock, I wouldn't even try none of 20s and 30s models. Just FYI: http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html
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never reloaded for the 40 but was always told not to use brass thats been thru a glock 40 due to the unsupported chamber. Picked up a few pieces of brass off the ground fired from a glock 22 and did see a "quarter-moon" discolored spot near the web that got my attention. Never really messed with glocks that much. Great concept but they just never "fit" me. (would still like to try out that slim grip 45 they came out with).
Dispite the reported kb's out there, they still seem to have a large and dedicated following and the lion's share of the LE market. Don't know the rate of kb's but it might not be that high when looked at by percentage. There are probably thirty glock 22's in service for every one beretta mdl 96 in service for example.
Has glock changed the chamber on the current models in 40? or is this still an unsupported chamber design?
I know that the game wardens had some reported trouble with their glocks when they 1st got them (years ago)with the mags blowing out the bottom of the guns but i think that was from a problem with some federal ammo.
Still the kb is an eye opener and i have heard countless warnings about using cast lead in glock 40's as a no-no. That alone automatically dis-qualifies it for my needs.
Do know of one officer that has shot numerous cast lead bullets thru his glock 21 with no problems. But the 40 is a different animal all-together in the pressure dept as is the .357 sig cartride when compared to the 45 acp.
never reloaded for the 40 but was always told not to use brass thats been thru a glock 40 due to the unsupported chamber. Picked up a few pieces of brass off the ground fired from a glock 22 and did see a "quarter-moon" discolored spot near the web that got my attention. Never really messed with glocks that much. Great concept but they just never "fit" me. (would still like to try out that slim grip 45 they came out with).
Dispite the reported kb's out there, they still seem to have a large and dedicated following and the lion's share of the LE market. Don't know the rate of kb's but it might not be that high when looked at by percentage. There are probably thirty glock 22's in service for every one beretta mdl 96 in service for example.
Has glock changed the chamber on the current models in 40? or is this still an unsupported chamber design?
I know that the game wardens had some reported trouble with their glocks when they 1st got them (years ago)with the mags blowing out the bottom of the guns but i think that was from a problem with some federal ammo.
Still the kb is an eye opener and i have heard countless warnings about using cast lead in glock 40's as a no-no. That alone automatically dis-qualifies it for my needs.
Do know of one officer that has shot numerous cast lead bullets thru his glock 21 with no problems. But the 40 is a different animal all-together in the pressure dept as is the .357 sig cartride when compared to the 45 acp.
Deputy125, I like Glocks, but safety and reliability is my primary concern. That's why I ended up with Ruger. Oh, we're way out of subject. I bet if you put a laser on DPR, it will operate absolutely fine. Rugers made with 200% toughness. Besides of limping wrist I dunno what may cause a trouble. I've tried several lasers and scope mounts. P95 was doing excellent job all the time.
PS. I heard that Glock fixed that glitch on newer models but never had a chance to verify it myself.
Oh, we're way out of subject. I bet if you put a laser on DPR, it will operate absolutely fine. Rugers made with 200% toughness. Besides of limping wrist I dunno what may cause a trouble. I've tried several lasers and scope mounts. P95 was doing excellent job all the time.PS. I heard that Glock fixed that glitch on newer models but never had a chance to verify it myself.
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