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OK, just one more. It's Friday night after a long day in the studio, I live in the hinterlands with little else to do but Netflix (next), so cut me some slack. ;)

I just read and reread this blurb off of the latter site. My head is spinning. Again, not quite black powder to powderless, but impressive to this science-oriented mind. I've emphasized some particular interesting sections.

Only thing I'd change in editing is the phrase "low-recoil signature". That's gotta be marketing talk. I remember a time when it was just called low recoil.

OK, off to Netflix. Or maybe some Vikings on another channel.
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ADVANCED PERSONAL DEFENSE AMMUNITION

The ARX® is a revolutionary bullet in every sense of the word. From the way it’s manufactured, to its shape, to the way it transfers energy to the target. The non-expanding ARX is injection-molded from a specially blended polymer-copper matrix that is designed to be tough enough for an all-purpose defense round.

Upon entering soft tissue, the specially designed grooves in the nose harness the soft tissue and constrict, pressurize and eject it at 1.5 to 2 times the directional speed of the bullet. This is the well-known Venturi Effect. As the bullet penetrates, it tumbles in a controlled, predictable fashion that delivers consistent terminal performance that equals or exceeds conventional hollow-point designs without over penetrating.

Inceptor® ARX Preferred Defense rounds are designed to function in all weapons, including large-frame handguns, carbines and automatic weapons. Due to the lightweight ARX bullet, it has a low-recoil signature for increased follow-up accuracy in critical defense situations.
 

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ARX are hard to find around here. In guns that I don't want to shoot +p rounds, I go with Hornady Critical Defense line with the FTX bullet. It balances penetration and expansion well. Take a look at the Lucky Gunner ballistics on .38s:

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/revolver-ballistics-test/

For the average of five shots, the 110 gr bullets passed the FBI minimum for penetration out of both 2" and 4" barrels. Expansion is good.

I find it interesting that the +p rounds barely met the FBI minimum. The low-recoil 90 gr Critical Defense "Lite" round came up short on penetration.

The American Gunner and XTP rounds in standard pressure penetrated well (perhaps too much) but did not expand as much as the other rounds. I enjoy reloading and shooting that 158 gr XTP bullet for my +p and .357 rounds. That would be too much out of a lightweight, so give the standard pressure Hornady ammo a go.
 

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I have two LCRx's in 1.87" barrel length. One is 38 SPL the other 357 Mag.

The 38 Spl is 4 oz lighter due to the aluminum frame and is my wife's carry gun, the 357 is my carry gun.

I load my own 357 Mag ammo at the lower end of the reload manual recommended data as factory ammo is rather "snappy" and too many rounds get uncomfortable to shoot. (I know 38 SPL can be fired in my 357)
 

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A bit earlier, this occurred to me: LCRx is a four-letter word.

I think that's why I want one so much.
 

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Check the Federal 130 grain HST 38 spl +P JHP Micro ballistics at Lucky Gunner. Consistent expansion and adequate penetration for a defensive round.
 

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Stonebuster, that's an interesting round. Had never seen any reference to those before, so thanks for posting. On my list to try.

That deeply recessed bullet makes it look a bit like a wadcutter, but the reasoning for it makes some sense (to this non-ballistics person) and it's getting good reviews. (Luckygunner's review knocks it out of the park.)

Nice to know I've got several different effective loads to try out. I confess, that ARX holds the greatest level of fascination for me just due to it's sheer novelty. But I won't know until I shoot a few boxes.

Gees, I wish I had an extra $500 in my pocket (what my local dealer needs for it). I'd order an LCRx today. As it is, not a chance until spring at earliest unless I find that pot of gold in the woods out back.


 

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Here's an interesting graphic of that Federal rnd from another page that demonstrates the design of the bullet. Another new design. Exciting.

 

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OK, I watched four vids about this HST 130 gr during a late lunch.

Here's the best by far. No surprise, it's by Chris of Luckygunner. I find his videos to be consistently good quality, informative, succinct, to the point. This one has an impressive thumbnail.

I wish someone would do one of these gel tests using a 3" barrel. I suspect it'll perform well.

Now, I gotta get some work done if I'm gonna eventually buy one of these revolvers. :eek:
 

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A new twist in this thread: LCRx .38 spl vs EC9s 9 mm

So I'm going to risk being called an indecisive flake (at least one girlfriend called me that once, which helped me make up my mind about her) and raise a new option in this thread. Since I'm the OP, I feel OK about that. After spending most of the afternoon reading reviews and watching videos, I've decided that instead of an LCRx in .38 spl, I may -- may -- be going back to 9 mm, specifically, the EC9s.

I'll state one thing right up front: if the two were equal price, I'd go with the LCRx hands down. No more questions. Why? Even though I've owned several 9 mm pistols -- more on that below -- I've always had a fondness for wheel guns. I won't even argue any more about .38 spl vs 9 mm effectiveness for SD -- not enough difference to snivel about IMO.

But the simplicity and reliability of wheel guns is compelling to me. Pull the trigger, it goes bang. If for some reason it doesn't, pull it again, and it'll probably go bang. No FTF, no jams to clear, etc. And just the fact that they've been around so long ... speaks to the history lover in me.

I've owned about equal numbers of wheel guns and semi-autos since about 1992. In wheel guns, I've owned (in order of purchase) Taurus (1) and Smith Wesson (3). In 9 mm, I've owned SW, Kahr and Ruger, specifically the LC9s. The latter was my last. I sold it (and my two rifles) about two years ago when I thought that my professional life was about to carry me to the UK for a very extended period (measured in years). The latter venture fell through -- I'm not unhappy about that -- so now I'm rebuilding my kit.

I loved the LC9s. Didn't have that many rnds through it, but it was flawless performance, very acceptable recoil (comparable to my SW 642 air weight), and fit my small (for a man) hand so well. I'm very familiar with the problem of limp wristing and had no trouble avoiding it.

But here's the problem. The EC9s would cost me just over half the price of the LCRx. My local dealer quoted me today $495 for the latter -- although I'm pretty sure he'd come down a few dollars. I'll call him next week for a quote on the EC9s, and from prices I've seen online, I'm betting he can come close to $270 or so. With my budget -- struggling to start a new company and pennies are scarce -- that's a BIG difference.

The EC9s is getting consistently good reviews. I already understand that it has a couple or three significant differences from the LC9s, but none that make me want to discount it. And it's measurably smaller than the LCRx while being only 1.5 ounces heavier.

I've found three threads on this forum about problems with the EC9s -- mostly failure to extract or failure to feed -- but two of three were satisfactorily resolved, and the third seems to be in the process of resolution. I also saw several participants from this thread in those, so know they're familiar with both guns.

So I thought I'd throw this thread open to discussion, because since it's the (black) Friday after Thanksgiving and there's no football tonight, I know you guys are bored and looking for something to do. You can thank me later. ;)
 

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I've made a change to my avatar to reflect that I'm considering a new option. The 10/22 goes well with the EC9s, don't you think?

The 10/22 is very out of focus. I understand why -- it's a technical issue having to do with resolution differences -- but I'm not going to fix it tonight. I'll get it done over the weekend. Right now, it's Friday night, and there are left overs heating in the oven. Time to watch another video about the EC9s.

And as luck would have it, this post marks #100 for me on this forum. On Black Friday evening. Interesting.
 

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I've made a change to my avatar to reflect that I'm considering a new option. The 10/22 goes well with the EC9s, don't you think?

The 10/22 is very out of focus. I understand why -- it's a technical issue having to do with resolution differences -- but I'm not going to fix it tonight. I'll get it done over the weekend. Right now, it's Friday night, and there are left overs heating in the oven. Time to watch another video about the EC9s.

And as luck would have it, this post marks #100 for me on this forum. On Black Friday evening. Interesting.
https://youtu.be/xX2eD4s8lTs
Sorry I checked out, I was on assignment in Mexico. As a side bar, my LC9s Pro made 4 trips back to Ruger, on the 3rd trip they told me it was my fault I couldn't handle the pistol. I sent a photo of the of the odd shape maring on the feed ramp and they admitted it was a bad job of grinding and polishing of the feed ramp. So while most folks have no issues with the series mine was a lemon and after I missed the shooting in El Paso by 24hrs I returned to my G23 as my EDC. These little EC/LC series are much like a snub nose revolver, they're an up close lealthal option. For me, I want something that's going to reach out a little bit farther. Also research flame cutting on revolvers, those lightweight projectiles can cause damage to the top strap...
 

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