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I'm looking for some Ruger PC9 Carbine owners so I can ask them some questions about it
 

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I'm looking for some Ruger PC9 Carbine owners so I can ask them some questions about it
Fire away...plenty of threads here on the PCC9 and a lot of mods.
Which one do you have?
 

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Hi. Well I haven't gotten one yet just doing some research first. My questions are: How reliable is it and are there any issues? Is it being used by anyone for Home Defense? What rounds are being used in case of in-house intruder? In doing some research on 9mm ammo I read that the Federal 138gr Syntech Defense 9mm would be good for not over penetration. I ask because a shotgun guy recommend the PC9 to me instead of a heavy recoil 12 gauge.
 

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Hi. Well I haven't gotten one yet just doing some research first. My questions are: How reliable is it and are there any issues? Is it being used by anyone for Home Defense? What rounds are being used in case of in-house intruder? In doing some research on 9mm ammo I read that the Federal 138gr Syntech Defense 9mm would be good for not over penetration. I ask because a shotgun guy recommend the PC9 to me instead of a heavy recoil 12 gauge.
Not trying to not answer your questions but there are a ton of videos about the reliability. I know because I've watched a ton! :D Some are even enjoyable to watch. Preferred ammo for home defense is a long lived and well argued topic and I don't usually dip my foot in to that water.

I personally don't use mine for home defense but wouldn't hesitate to, if needed. But I only say that about MY PC9 because I've used it a lot. I don't trust anyone else's firearms unless I know that person very well.

I'm a shotgun guy and could recommend quite a few guns for home defense, PC9 being one. But as a shotgun guy I'd probably recommend a good 20 gauge. Everyone has their preferences.

As for the mags, I have only used Glock mags so can't say anything about the other options. Like I said in a previous reply I've shot quite a few different types of ammo with no issues, including cheap steel ammo. Just don't use aluminum case ammo, that's what the manual says.
 

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One other question. What has been the best magazines to use in it?
Several of us have found Ruger SR9 magazines and Ruger mag well insert work somewhat better than Glock mags and the included Glock mag well.

Since an SR9 17-round magazine comes with the gun, you would be all set. Extra SR9 mags are readily available too and not very expensive. For home defense, one or two magazines should be plenty.

Glock magazines are less expensive and come in a huge variety of capacities and would be preferred for competitive use like USPSA, Steel Challenge, etc.
 

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Mine has been good through 400 rounds, one failure to reset trigger. I use Glock magazines, thinking about a light for home defense. Good little carbine lot of fun to shoot. 9mm is cheep get one.
 

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For home defense having a pistol that uses the same magazine as the PCC increases your security. I use the Glock Mag well and have my Glock 26 Gen4 and many various capacity magazines close at hand.

If I had a Ruger pistol I would have stayed with the Ruger magazine well as it has a better “catch” mechanism that helps keep the ejector rod from getting bent up into the bottom of the bolt...which can cause malfunction or damage.

Some PCC’s take several hundred rounds to break-in and some have no issues right out of the box. Mine took at least 400 rounds to smooth out and be reliable.

Whichever way you go the answers to any issues and loads of fun will be on this forum.

Good luck and show us what you get.
 

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The pros and cons of a pistol caliber carbine for home defense have been debated endlessly and there is no uniform consensus. There is also the handgun versus long gun debate. If you are anticipating the possible need to go room to room maneuvering around corners, a hand gun is preferable to a long gun, but if you think that you are more likely to take a defensive posture in a static position of concealment, if not cover, a long gun is preferable. Of course, there is no reason not to have both.

Some argue that if you are going to consider the use of a long gun, it makes more sense to go with a center fire semi-automatic rifle or a shot gun because it has much greater power than a pistol caliber carbine. Although my personal preference is a shotgun, my view is that if a 9 mm hand gun is considered a viable alternative for self-defense, there is no reason a 9 mm pistol caliber carbine would not be. Long guns are far easier to shoot accurately for most people. And having a long gun and hand gun that chambered in the same caliber that might even accept the same magazines makes a fair bit of sense.

Grant Cunningham discusses the merits of a PCC for home defense including choices for SD ammo in this short article:

https://www.grantcunningham.com/2016/02/what-self-defense-ammunition-is-best-for-the-9mm-carbine/

Luckygunner also did some interesting tests on a few very popular 9 mm SD loads using a Ruger PCC 9:

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/self-defense-ammo-for-pistol-caliber-carbines/

It is interesting that the Speer Gold Dot loads gained much more velocity with the longer 16" barrel in comparison to a hand gun than did the Federal HST loads. The Federal 147 grain HST load actually demonstrated slightly less muzzle velocity with the 16" Ruger barrel than with a Beretta handgun with a 4.7" barrel. More muzzle velocity was not necessarily a good thing, however, since the Speer Gold Dot loads showed uncontrolled expansion at the higher muzzle velocity. Modern JHP hand gun cartridges are engineered to provide controlled expansion within a fairly narrow range of impact velocities and outside of the range the results are unpredictable.

As for the Ruger PCC 9 mm, I use Glock OEM magazines and Magpul magazines made for Glocks and mine has been absolutely reliable with both. But I have read posts by a small percentage of Ruger PCC owners who have had extraction and/or ejection issues. Any firearm intended for self-defense must be vetted by thoroughly testing it with the magazines and ammunition you intend to use in it.

A Ruger PCC has much less recoil impulse than a 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot for sure. Do not expect it to have a lot less recoil than a semi-automatic .225/5.56 rifle, however. The direct blow back action requires a weighted bolt that produces a bit of kick. But I think even fairly recoil-sensitive individuals can learn to deal with the recoil impulse of the Ruger PCC.
 

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I have about 1500 rounds through mine with zero malfunctions. it's been a great gun. as for ammo, check out luckygunner.com in the blog section. they actually just did a video on home defense ammo for PCC's and used the ruger as the test gun. as for mags, i have run the majority of my rounds through the Magpul 21 round pmags and they have been flawless. Glock mags work great too.
 

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Main reasons for Ruger PC Carbine (PCC in 9mm....PC9 was a completely different gun..so advise using proper nomenclature) are low cost and ability to use Glock pattern magazines.

Overall, my PCC has been a reliable carbine. But chamber does get dirty rather quickly be use of straight blow back design. But if you need to completely empty magazine for home defense purposes, you probably need an AR...

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Most Ruger owners agree that Ruger Customer Service is top notch...if you ever need them.
 

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Is it being used by anyone for Home Defense? ...I ask because a shotgun guy recommend the PC9 to me instead of a heavy recoil 12 gauge.
A pistol caliber carbine is certainly no joke. It's definitely a serious business self defense weapon and quite formidable. A single well aimed (or lucky) shot can easily be lethal.

With that said, it's not nearly as good as a rifle (especially a short barreled rifle or a *wink wink* "pistol" in rifle caliber.)

I'm of the opinion that when it comes to home defense PCCs are nearly 100% inferior to a semi-auto rifle in a serious business caliber like 5.56, 7.62, .300 AAC , 6.5mm ETC.

If I were forced to take a shot to the leg and given the choice between a 9mm PCC, a 5.56 rifle or a 12 gauge 00 Buck I would choose the 9mm PCC in a LANDSLIDE - and I think that would probably be a pretty common opinion. It's just not as powerful or damaging on a shot per shot basis.

Will that stop you from defending your home? Absolutely not. Is there a better choice? Probably.

I might also say that if recoil is an issue - consider a 20 gauge. There are really only a handful of decent loads for 20 gauge - and almost no exotic loadings - but Remington makes a buckshot with 18 (or 20!) .23 cal projectiles launched approximately 1140 FPS. That is not a joke. Especially in a semi-auto shotgun which recoils even less and ups the ante in rate of fire.

If economics are a factor it's hard to argue anything is cheaper than a pump action 12 gauge. Nothing to buy but the gun and the ammo (and maybe some training). I recently purchased a brand new self defense oriented shotgun for 160 dollars including taxes, backgroundchecks and transfer fees. 7+1 capacity. Good luck finding even a used PCC at that price.
 

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For home defense having a pistol that uses the same magazine as the PCC increases your security.

Can you expand on this? I can see how if you lived in a magazine round limited state it might be nice to have all your magazines be identical in case you had to fire more than 10+1 shots... but if you can pop a 30 round magazine in your rifle how likely are you to really need an extra? And how likely are you to need more than one additional magazine?

If even if you had say a G19 or G17 sitting on your nightstand, I'm not certain a 9mm PCC with a 33 round glock big stick magazine tucked in it would really offer you any advantage over an ar-15 with a 30/40 round magazine.

The only advantage I might see is if your PCC was somehow disabled, you could use the magazines intended for that PCC in your handgun. But even then... a G19 has 15+1 rounds... Are you really going to run dry?

My vote for best use for PCC? Truck/Car gun, particularly if you CCW with a compatible duty size pistol and extra magazines. That way you have ammo on you ready to go - especially in states where you can't transport a longarm while loaded.
 

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Can you expand on this?
I am not trying to answer a question for the author but my interpretation on that is by having guns using the same caliber and mag, if one gun or mag fails, you have interchangeable backups. Also, if you have both on you during the search you have mobility with the handgun, accuracy for the longer shot.
 

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Can you expand on this? I can see how if you lived in a magazine round limited state it might be nice to have all your magazines be identical in case you had to fire more than 10+1 shots... but if you can pop a 30 round magazine in your rifle how likely are you to really need an extra? And how likely are you to need more than one additional magazine?

If even if you had say a G19 or G17 sitting on your nightstand, I'm not certain a 9mm PCC with a 33 round glock big stick magazine tucked in it would really offer you any advantage over an ar-15 with a 30/40 round magazine.

The only advantage I might see is if your PCC was somehow disabled, you could use the magazines intended for that PCC in your handgun. But even then... a G19 has 15+1 rounds... Are you really going to run dry?

My vote for best use for PCC? Truck/Car gun, particularly if you CCW with a compatible duty size pistol and extra magazines. That way you have ammo on you ready to go - especially in states where you can't transport a longarm while loaded.
Starting out with a PCC and then later purchasing a same cal handgun has many benefits that increases home security.
The first one I can think of is the handgun is concealable...less obvious that you are prepared to defend which may prevent unnecessary harm. Sure you could go with any other larger caliber handgun but the comment was “assuming” the PCC was a first firearm purchase...and opens the door to another firearm purchase.

The interchangeable magazines is a plus if one firearm malfunctions or is lost.

Ease of aiming accurately at longer distance with a PCC is a big plus.

If I have to pass either gun to a family member it is convenient that they might know how to handle the same ammo.

As the PCC caliber size goes up..say 40 cal or 10mm, the damage effect increases.

Living in the country with livestock to protect from bears and coyotes I can see how having a handgun and carbine same caliber makes sense...and that 15+1 rounds might not be enough.
I don’t like the 33 round big sticks...hangs down way to far for me in the woods/brush...or in the house.

In the end I can’t think of any reason to NOT have a handgun and PCC that use the same magazines/ammo!..and it’s FUN!
 

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I suppose that makes sense if one magazine fails that you have another compatible one nearby... and if you are using a gear carrier it's one less extra item you need on the vest. Still, those seem like negligible advantages in the context of home defense on a small property.

I must say I have a hard time seeing myself being like, "schucks, this crook/badguy/beast needs to get shot RIGHT NOW - but oh no - my weapon is malfunctioning! Let me grab my magazine from my other weapon and put it in my jammed weapon" - rather than just doing a NY reload by using my other weapon without a malfunction.

I also think that if I'm in a situation that is going so poorly that I not only am firing my weapon, but finding that I need to switch to another, I probably am going to want as much firepower as I can get. Obviously you can still put lethal fire downrange with a 9mm PCC going 1300FPS, but I don't think you're going to get nearly as many one hit stops as compared to a .30 cal traveling at 2000+ FPS or a .223 cal going 2700+. If the lead is flying in my home, one hit stops are something I am going to highly prioritize.

Also worth noting that PCC's will be much more unlikely to penetrate soft body armor, whereas most rifle loadings will have little or no problem.

I suppose if someone was looking at a 'first' firearm that they were intent on using both at the range and for home defense - and on a budget - that a PCC might make sense. Probably easier and more comfortable to get a handle on and cheaper to use than a centerfire rifle. Of course if you go in the larger calibers like 40 or 10mm you lose most/all of the ammo savings of a PCC.

The kicker is that you can probably afford BOTH a 12 gauge and a 22lr for the same price as a PCC (lowest price I saw for the Ruger PCC was 420+ tax, transfer and background check)... and IMO you'd have a much more versatile set up at a lower price point for ammo and the weapons.

Edit: Actually, on further thought... A Hi-point 9mm pistol + carbine would probably come in pretty darn cheap and provide someone with a lot of choices for home defense. Probably less than 500 bucks for both if you shopped around. The thing is then you have to tell someone to buy a hi-point... If you're looking at Beretta, Ruger, or Kel-Tec offerings you're looking at close to a grand or more once you add a pistol. At that price point you just open up so many better options than a PCC.
 

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If you prioritize one shot stops, a 12 gauge shotgun is the way to go. Unfortunately, it comes with much more limited magazine capacity and considerably greater recoil than a .223/5.56x45. If you get a solid hit at short range with a 12 gauge loaded with #4 to 00 buckshot, the attacker will almost certainly go down. With a handgun or a rifle chambered in 5.56 the attacker may well go down, but there is considerably less certainty.

I wouldn't buy a Hi-Point 9 mm pistol caliber carbine for self-defense. I have a TS995 and while it is a fun carbine to shoot, it has had too many malfunctions for me to consider it to be reliable. I find the controls awkward to use and the magazine capacity is quite limited. Apart from the Red Ball 20 round magazine, which sticks awkwardly way out of the carbine, is a snag waiting to happen, and pretty much precludes shooting from a usual prone position, you are stuck using the 10 round Hi-Point magazines which I have found to be very spotty in quality.
 
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