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I don't know if this is true, but I heard on the news that the government is talking about inserting micro chips in our drivers license. This invasion of privacy would easily allow them to track anyone - anytime. Hooey! :(
 

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I hadn't heard that one yet, but I'm pretty sure that a few minutes with a rubber mallet will take care of the problem, IF they ever got that unconstitutional piece of garbage pushed through.

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Let's see - wasn't there a movie where they inserted a microchip into every newborn? Driver's license is a first step.
 

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quote:Originally posted by Natalie Frey

I don't know if this is true, but I heard on the news that the government is talking about inserting micro chips in our drivers license. This invasion of privacy would easily allow them to track anyone - anytime. Hooey! :(
Yes, they can do that since the drivers license that you have is the sole property of the state that it was issued from.
 

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Also remember, driving is a "Privilage" not a "Right". So yea, they could make having it on the license part of the requirements. But again, if it malfunctioned, well...
 

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Its True, I actually heard it on the nightly news earlier this week and on the radio on the way to work Friday. They said that it was passed in congress & senate and that the States had untill the fall of 2008 to start issueing the new drivers licenses. Also, that their is no federal funding and that each state was going to have to encure the cost. What that really means is that we will pay about $100. each for our new DL. Another problem is that any where you go, hotel, airports, banks, hospitals, anywhere where ID is required, they can swipe your new DL and obtain all your personal information. ID theft is going to go thru the roof.
 

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I keep abreast of Gov't contracts in the tech field and bids are being accepted for the new Homeland Security REAL ID. Got the email today. $31 Million is being budgeted for this demonstration program.

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1196971699639.shtm

DHS and the State of Arizona Partner to Further Advance Secure Identification Initiatives

Release Date: December 6, 2007

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010

Memorandum of Agreement Between the State of Arizona & the Department of Homeland Security, (5 pages - 209 KB)

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the state of Arizona today signed a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) to enhance the security of state driver’s licenses to offer a Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI)-compliant document to U.S. citizen residents and to pledge future compliance with the requirements of REAL ID.

The Arizona agreement, much like those established with the states of Washington, Vermont and New York earlier this year, will serve as an option available to U.S. citizens to satisfy WHTI requirements. DHS announced in June that U.S. and Canadian citizens will need to present either a WHTI-compliant document or government-issued photo ID and proof of citizenship, such as a driver’s license and birth certificate, beginning on Jan. 31, 2008, for admissibility into the United States. The department intends to end the routine practice of accepting oral declarations alone at land and sea ports of entry at that time.

“I value the Governor’s leadership in making Arizona licenses more secure,” said Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. “America knows too well how dangerous unsecured licenses can be. The public is way ahead of government when it comes to secure identification. They want protection from identity theft, and they want greater facilitation of lawful trade and travel. Agreements like this one, and the others before it, move secure identification in the right direction, and I urge other states to do the same.”

“Arizonans deal every day with the many complex issues surrounding border security and immigration," said Governor Janet Napolitano. "I believe this enhanced identification will be a useful tool. It is my hope that the partnership with the Secretary and the agency will support work on this new project throughout the process of its development.”

The state of Arizona will develop a technologically-enhanced driver’s license that will securely validate the identity and U.S. citizenship of Arizona residents who voluntarily apply and qualify. The enhanced driver’s license, which is proposed to be accepted for border-crossing purposes under WHTI, is expected to be slightly more expensive than a standard Arizona driver’s license and will require proof of citizenship, identity, and residence. The enhanced document also will be aligned to comply with REAL ID over time.

DHS, in turn, will provide the technology and data sharing specifications to facilitate the use and verification of the enhanced driver’s license at a port of entry.

In addition, Arizona has pledged to become compliant with REAL ID as soon as practicable. DHS will soon issue the REAL ID final rule, which is intended to strengthen identification through both physical security features and a secure issuance process. Arizona’s REAL ID-compliant license would be available to U.S. citizen residents who do not wish to obtain an enhanced driver’s license.

The 9/11 Commission endorsed secure documentation for determining admissibility into the country, and Congress mandated WHTI implementation in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004. At present, U.S. Customs and Border Protection personnel consider more than 8,000 distinct state-issued birth certificates, driver’s licenses or other forms of identification when making decisions on who and what to admit into the country.

REAL ID establishes minimum standards for state-issued driver’s licenses and identification cards in compliance with the REAL ID Act of 2005. The requirements include security features that must be incorporated into each card; verification of information provided by applicants to establish their identity and lawful status in the United States; and physical security standards for locations where licenses and identification cards are issued. A REAL ID driver’s license will be required in order to access a federal facility, board federally-regulated commercial aircraft, and enter nuclear power plants.

DHS and the Department of State expect the date of full WHTI implementation to be in the summer of 2008, at which time U.S. citizens traveling between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda by land or sea will be required to present a valid U.S. passport or other acceptable document. The precise implementation date will be formally announced with at least 60 days notice.
 

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quote:Originally posted by peace

I keep abreast of Gov't contracts in the tech field and bids are being accepted for the new Homeland Security REAL ID. Got the email today. $31 Million is being budgeted for this demonstration program.

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1196971699639.shtm

DHS and the State of Arizona Partner to Further Advance Secure Identification Initiatives

Release Date: December 6, 2007

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010

Memorandum of Agreement Between the State of Arizona & the Department of Homeland Security, (5 pages - 209 KB)

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the state of Arizona today signed a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) to enhance the security of state driver’s licenses to offer a Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI)-compliant document to U.S. citizen residents and to pledge future compliance with the requirements of REAL ID.

The Arizona agreement, much like those established with the states of Washington, Vermont and New York earlier this year, will serve as an option available to U.S. citizens to satisfy WHTI requirements. DHS announced in June that U.S. and Canadian citizens will need to present either a WHTI-compliant document or government-issued photo ID and proof of citizenship, such as a driver’s license and birth certificate, beginning on Jan. 31, 2008, for admissibility into the United States. The department intends to end the routine practice of accepting oral declarations alone at land and sea ports of entry at that time.

“I value the Governor’s leadership in making Arizona licenses more secure,” said Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. “America knows too well how dangerous unsecured licenses can be. The public is way ahead of government when it comes to secure identification. They want protection from identity theft, and they want greater facilitation of lawful trade and travel. Agreements like this one, and the others before it, move secure identification in the right direction, and I urge other states to do the same.”

“Arizonans deal every day with the many complex issues surrounding border security and immigration," said Governor Janet Napolitano. "I believe this enhanced identification will be a useful tool. It is my hope that the partnership with the Secretary and the agency will support work on this new project throughout the process of its development.”

The state of Arizona will develop a technologically-enhanced driver’s license that will securely validate the identity and U.S. citizenship of Arizona residents who voluntarily apply and qualify. The enhanced driver’s license, which is proposed to be accepted for border-crossing purposes under WHTI, is expected to be slightly more expensive than a standard Arizona driver’s license and will require proof of citizenship, identity, and residence. The enhanced document also will be aligned to comply with REAL ID over time.

DHS, in turn, will provide the technology and data sharing specifications to facilitate the use and verification of the enhanced driver’s license at a port of entry.

In addition, Arizona has pledged to become compliant with REAL ID as soon as practicable. DHS will soon issue the REAL ID final rule, which is intended to strengthen identification through both physical security features and a secure issuance process. Arizona’s REAL ID-compliant license would be available to U.S. citizen residents who do not wish to obtain an enhanced driver’s license.

The 9/11 Commission endorsed secure documentation for determining admissibility into the country, and Congress mandated WHTI implementation in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004. At present, U.S. Customs and Border Protection personnel consider more than 8,000 distinct state-issued birth certificates, driver’s licenses or other forms of identification when making decisions on who and what to admit into the country.

REAL ID establishes minimum standards for state-issued driver’s licenses and identification cards in compliance with the REAL ID Act of 2005. The requirements include security features that must be incorporated into each card; verification of information provided by applicants to establish their identity and lawful status in the United States; and physical security standards for locations where licenses and identification cards are issued. A REAL ID driver’s license will be required in order to access a federal facility, board federally-regulated commercial aircraft, and enter nuclear power plants.

DHS and the Department of State expect the date of full WHTI implementation to be in the summer of 2008, at which time U.S. citizens traveling between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda by land or sea will be required to present a valid U.S. passport or other acceptable document. The precise implementation date will be formally announced with at least 60 days notice.

Gov Janeo thinks she can do this by EO.
The legislature has something to say about it and it's "F" YOU!!!
 

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It's at least a couple of years ago now there was a woman on Good Morning America that was the first person to my micro chipped as a test subject. There was quit an interview about it, their comment was that everybody would be wanting one because of the advantages of personal security of financial information (no identity fraud). That makes me wonder if identity fraud is a crime or bait to make people jump at an opportunity to "secure" themselves with government "protection"?

Don't know if you recognize it but I've never experienced one thing the government said was a good thing they have done for us that didn't end up biting us in the butt in the end.
 

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I hate to say it but anybody who has On Star in their vehicle ????? Daaaaaaaaaaaaa How many things like that is the Obama administration forcing to open up their secrets to government?
 

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Natalie said:
I don't know if this is true, but I heard on the news that the government is talking about inserting micro chips in our drivers license. This invasion of privacy would easily allow them to track anyone - anytime.
I think we would see a veritable plethora of ways to defeat that type of monitor, if it does in fact become a reality.

'sides which, who will actually WANT one? LEGAL immigrants. ;)
 

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Wouldn't a photocopy of the DL and leave the chipped DL at home be the easiest and cheapest way to defeat such an invasion?

You are only required to have a valid DL to drive, you are not required to have the actual ID on you. Having it on you just makes it quicker and easier to verify that you have a valid DL.
 

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Wouldn't a photocopy of the DL and leave the chipped DL at home be the easiest and cheapest way to defeat such an invasion?

You are only required to have a valid DL to drive, you are not required to have the actual ID on you. Having it on you just makes it quicker and easier to verify that you have a valid DL.
Sure, what you say is true. All one really needs is the number to have it checked but one would also need another form of picture I.D. to prove who you are. It is legal, in my state, but messy.

Think about all the times you are asked to show a picture I.D. when using charge cards, personal checks, and during other situations. Sure, you can tell them to go pound sand but they can legally refuse you service in many situations. It is tough to get by without the picture I.D. and for many, the DL is the only form they carry.

Remember, in many hotels/motels that issue electronic swipe keys, your personal information is, in many cases, embedded in that key. Security consultants tell folks to take the keys with them when they leave or ask the desk person, at checkout, to erase the cards in their presence!

Like it or not, your personal information is all over the place and getting harder to keep track of.
 

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IIRC, in the The Pelican Brief, written by John Grisham in 1992, the heroine is being tracked around the country by her credit card use. You can be tracked today by your cell phone, OnStar etc. 1984 is here! :)
 

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The card type passports have a chip in them for quick scan at the border...
 
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