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It is a must for you to return this Blackhawk to the factory. As the cylinder is not latching. I had this very situation occur with one of my Vaqueros a number of years ago.
I still have the repair order. It lists: Barrel as repaired, Internal components replaced, Cylinder as replaced.
 

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Thanks, for the input everyone. I think you're right, it's a latching issue. Will be contacting ruger Monday morning. Hopefully they can do something for me. I'll keep the post updated with what happens.
 

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Ruger support was concerned and wanted to see the firearm. Sent me a prepaid label and I shipped it off to the factory. Will update again when Ruger let's me know the issue/what they will do.
 

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Around 1999-2000 had a beautiful high gloss 44mag vaquero brand new, I could easily turn the cylinder when in lock-up. It was repaired quickly.
 

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Recently bought a brand new super Black hawk bisley Hunter in 44 mag. Super excited to take it out to the range. Made it out there today only to almost have a catastrophic failure. I'm a new revolver shooter so I'm not sure what could of caused this. I shot the first 6 rounds and everything went fine. The next 6 I had 2 failures to fire (Thought I had miscounted my shots due to excitement?). Unloaded the empty shells, and saw 2 unfired rounds. Thought it was weird but I reloaded them in and added 4 more. Went 6 more "shots" of firing, with 3 misses. At this point I realized something was off. Didn't realize how lucky I was though. The last round that wasn't hit in the center, was hit 3/4 of the way, the other misfire right on the edge. If it had ignited the gun would of fired misaligned and exploded in my hands for sure.

I called the range officer over, who was a cowboy action shooter, to see what he thought and he immediately made me take the gun off the line. He said he's never seen anything like that before. He asked if he could have the almost misfired bullet for the pistol safety class he teaches.

Needless to say I was pretty shaken at how close I came to a disaster, and was thanking the powers above that nothing happened.

Any insight into what kind could of caused this? I took pictures of the rounds and what I think is an odd cylinder wear pattern? Let me know what else I should take a picture of if if you guys have any insight. Will also be contacting ruger Monday morning. Thanks.

(First picture is an unfired round)

A problem with the pawl could cause the cylinder to under or over rotate causing the misfire you had. Did you try to spin the cylinder right after it misfired without opening the loading gate?

I had a similar incident happen with my Bisley SBH in 454 Casull. I bought it new and since then I had it only shot 45 Colt rounds without a problem. A few months ago I was with a friend and I had finally loaded some 454 Casull rounds to try. They were only starting loads with a 250 grain bullet.

I fired it first that day with 45 Colt rounds, nothing unusual. I then loaded it with 454 Casull rounds. I fired 10 rounds without incident.

With the next cylinder full the first shot went off OK. On the second trigger pull the hammer dropped without firing. I thought it could be a primer misfire. So I held it pointing downrange for a bit to make sure I didn’t have a hang-fire. I then looked at the gun and I could see that the cylinder latch was not showing through the space in between the cylinder and frame. (See the photo). The hammer was still down and the loading gate was not yet opened. So I tried rotating the cylinder and it spun freely. I thought how is this possible?

I opened the loading gate and unloaded it. After closing the gate, the cylinder locked up properly. I looked at the cartridge in question and the firing pin mark was in the head stamp area. I had a bit of a chill when I thought about what could have happened if the firing pin hit on the edge of the primer and it fired with the cylinder off center.

Looking at your pictures it seems like you were a lot closer to disaster than I was.

I have not ever taken the gun apart except the cylinder was out to clean it after each firing. It is as new. It had a total of about 100 rounds or so thru it, all 45 Colt until this happened.

Just coincidentally my friend was using my phone, recording me shoot the gun when this all happened. I have the misfire on video as well as me freely spinning the cylinder with the hammer down and the gate closed.

I called Ruger and they told me to send it in to them. I sent a long letter describing what had happened. I included a CD with the videos on it so they could see what happened. I had asked that they tell me what had happened.

It came back a couple of weeks later. The included work order only said that a CD was included and the pawl was replaced. I am not confident that this is exactly what happened. Yes, a pawl issue can cause over or under indexing of the cylinder. But why was the cylinder latch stuck in the down position, with the hammer down and the gate closed? The cylinder was free spinning.

I’ve fired it with Casull loads since I got I back, but I still feel the need to check to see if the cylinder is actually latched before I squeeze the trigger again…

Has this free spinning cylinder issue happened to anyone else?
 

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Ruger’s workmanship and QC really need to be vastly improved.

The photo of the cylinder stop or bolt shows it can not fit properly into the cylinder cuts.

Get that revolver back to Ruger ASAP.
 

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Wanted to give an update.

First, I will say Ruger was extremely prompt with all the work they did. They received the gun Friday afternoon and I was notified via email Monday morning that they were working on it. Got the email saying work was completed Tuesday and that it was shipping back out on Wednesday. 2 day air later and it was delivered this afternoon. I had to call and inquire about what the issue was, as they didn't state it in the work completed email. I didn't talk to any techs but the service rep on the phone read me the work report done. They ended up replacing the pawl and cylinder latch and buffing the cylinder.

Looking at the new pawl installed on the gun I can 100% see what the issue was. The original pawl was improperly machined. Kind of surprised it made it through QC like that. It was something that should of been caught, but Ruger did redeem themselves to me with excellent customer service. Everyone was apologetic and they tried to get it fixed and back to me as soon as the could. Unfortunately the range is closed for me to test it, but it looks like everything was resolved and there should be no more issues.
 

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Glad you got it taken care of. A rare defect for sure. It's a good thing that the gun was repaired instead of replaced because the tech team will comb through it and make sure the gun functions safely. You have a much better gun than what you had.
 

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Glad it was taken care of as well. I have also found Ruger CS to be very good. Out of curiosity what was machined incorrectly on the original pawl?
 

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Another fine example of Ruger standing behind their products and making things right.



More like an example of
"There is never enough time to do it right but always enough time to fix it later"!


Seems to have been the Ruger motto since they passed the 1,000,000 guns made in one year mark a while back.


Bruce
 

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I think you got it right FireEscape! It’s both frightening and discouraging that, of all things, a firearm would leave the factory that messed up.
 

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More like an example of
"There is never enough time to do it right but always enough time to fix it later"!


Seems to have been the Ruger motto since they passed the 1,000,000 guns made in one year mark a while back.


Bruce
and the reason I won't buy a Ruger built since Bill's death. It's the bean counters company now not Bill's. OK I do have 2 a 10/22 for the grandson and a Stainless No1 I had to buy to complete the set.
 
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