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As a reserve police officer, I am required to put in at least 16 hours of work a month, so last Saturday evening found me on the third shift (4PM to 2AM) patrolling one of our medium-busy districts. It was busy enough to make the time pass quickly, but after midnight, things got pretty quiet. A few minutes after 1AM, we got a call for a single car into a tree. At that time of night, in that area (a nice, straight mixed commercial/residential street), a car into a tree was probably the result of alcohol, drugs or both.

We arrived to find a brand-new Toyota Prius that had hopped the curb and plowed dead-on into a tree; the point of impact was almost exactly in the center of the bumper. The air bags had deployed and the single male occupant was apparently uninjured. Once the paramedics arrived (minutes after we did), I started to examine the accident scene in detail while my partner searched the car (it's called a "property inventory", but it looks just like a search).

What I noticed right away is that there were no skid marks leading up to the impact point, not even right behind the Prius; it was obvious that the driver never touched the brakes. Another thing I had noticed previously is that although the driver didn't smell of alcohol, the pungent scent of marijuana was obvious on him and his car. Now, marijuana became legal in Oregon on July 1st, but it's still illegal to drive when "impaired" by it.

While running his license, we discovered that he had an arrest warrant from our neighboring county (Multnomah) for contempt of court, so we read him his rights and put him in handcuffs. Up to this point, he had been saying that he was "fine", but after reading him his Miranda rights, he suddenly developed neck pain. One of the fourth shift (10PM to 8AM) officers volunteered to escort him to the hospital while we continued our investigation.

During the property inventory, a couple of curious things came to light. First - although not unexpected - was about three ounces of "a marijuana-like herbaceous material" (again, no longer illegal in Oregon). Second was a Ruger Blackhawk in .357 Magnum hidden under the driver's seat; the driver lacked a CCW permit, which is required in Oregon to have a loaded gun concealed in a vehicle. As they say on the police dramas, it had "a round in the chamber" (technically, it had a round in each of the six chambers).

The third curious - or at least ironic - thing was a "Who Would Jesus Shoot?" anti-gun bumper sticker on the rear bumper. Adding to the irony, his arrest warrant was for failing to pay a fine he got for "criminal mischief" (damage to property in excess of $500) during a protest over a police shooting in Portland.

So, in a single call we had an progressive trifecta of hypocrisy: a Prius wrapped around a tree, a "baked" driver, and an anti-gun bumper sticker on a car with an illegal gun. Only in Oregon...



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It would be a real treat to see this story picked up by the NRA, GOA, and Breitbart.
 

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Seems to be more of those kind of folk nowadays.....
Everywhere.....
 

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Gun? What Gun? You mean you're saying you had an illegal gun in your car?

Uhh, no, nevermind. ��

Yeah, I couldn't do that either but you know you thought about it. I mean, it was a Blackhawk.
 

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And the driver will claim it wasn't his car or gun and he had a temporary blackout that has never happened to him before.....

Or he loaned his car to someone and they left the firearm......
 

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Another good story, Jim. I only disagree with one point. Unfortunately, it is not only in Oregon. This type of hypocrisy is rampant among the anti-gunners.
 

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This is why I always look for your posts. They make smile and shake my head in wonder every time. :eek:
 

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Gun? What Gun? You mean you're saying you had an illegal gun in your car?

Uhh, no, nevermind. ��

Yeah, I couldn't do that either but you know you thought about it. I mean, it was a Blackhawk.

I wish there was a way I could put in a bid on seized firearms. I've seen a couple of good ones go by, but most were stolen (surprise!) and will eventually end up back with their rightful owners. The rest are either "imported" from other countries (serial number traces through the BATF show no record) or have had the serial number defaced.

It will probably come as no surprise to anyone on this forum, but the vast majority of guns used in crimes (or found on criminals) were NOT purchased in gun shows or through FFLs; for the most part, they are either stolen or came into the country without being listed with the BATF.

So, yeah, I've seen couple of guns that I wouldn't mind buying at an "abandoned property" auction.


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The guy must have been baked.....just throw the 3 ozs of "grass" out IN the grass and put the pistol on the seat for a little open carry. Of course, that does not help with the stoned while driving charge or moms bruised prius though:confused:
 

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The guy must have been baked.....just throw the 3 ozs of "grass" out IN the grass and put the pistol on the seat for a little open carry. Of course, that does not help with the stoned while driving charge or moms bruised prius though:confused:
Yeah, all the evidence points to him being either asleep or completely wasted when he hit the tree. He probably thought it was just going to give him a big hug.

He wouldn't have needed to throw out the marijuana, though; it's completely legal to possess that amount (although driving while baked is still a class A misdemeanor). And you're right - if he had just thrown the loaded Blackhawk on the seat next to him, he would have been (legally) in the clear, in Oregon.

According to the update I got from the prosecutor's office, he's being charged with DUI, concealed weapon without a permit and he's going to sit in the Multnomah county lockup until he pays his fine for criminal mischief. Too bad we can't add felony hypocrisy and misdemeanor stupid to the list of charges.


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Is there a test for "baked" level like the BAC? And a version of. 08?
 

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Is there a test for "baked" level like the BAC? And a version of. 08?
Not at this time. The urine test stays positive for days after use (THC metabolites can be detected for up to a month) and doesn't give an accurate level. Blood tests are available, but they only used in research and, besides, there would need to be a law setting the "legal limit", and there isn't one, yet.

For right now, we use field sobriety tests, which have been the standard for decades when someone was being arrested for driving while intoxicated by prescription or recreational drugs other than alcohol. The real problem is for the defense attorneys, since they won't be able to get a blood or urine test that contradicts the field sobriety test - the metabolism of THC is too variable, person to person, and it remains in the system for days.

Since marijuana was legalized in July, in the Portland metropolitan area (what I call the penumbra of Portland), there have been at least three fatal car crashes where the driver at fault had no detectable blood alcohol but was clearly under the influence of marijuana. This, I am told, is a significant rise in the number of marijuana-associated traffic fatalities. Oddly enough, I am not surprised.


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...Since marijuana was legalized in July, in the Portland metropolitan area (what I call the penumbra of Portland), there have been at least three fatal car crashes where the driver at fault had no detectable blood alcohol but was clearly under the influence of marijuana. This, I am told, is a significant rise in the number of marijuana-associated traffic fatalities. Oddly enough, I am not surprised.
Calling BS on this, never seen any documentation. Here in Colorado we're 18 months ahead of OR on legal weed and there isn't any evidence of increased traffic fatalities from legal weed. What is really nice is that our cops don't waste time on the worthless "War on Weed".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lities-in-colorado-are-at-near-historic-lows/

You'll never see legal weed in Illinois, too much money is made busting yuppies (figure about $10,000 in fines/lawyers/court ordered drug rehab). Besides, if you're a Chicago cop, who do you want to bust, an armed gang-banger or a stoned yuppie?
 

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AAHHHHH,,,, YA GOTTA LOVE IT. :D

The irony of it all.

Great story Jim.
 

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Calling BS on this, never seen any documentation. Here in Colorado we're 18 months ahead of OR on legal weed and there isn't any evidence of increased traffic fatalities from legal weed. What is really nice is that our cops don't waste time on the worthless "War on Weed".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lities-in-colorado-are-at-near-historic-lows/

You'll never see legal weed in Illinois, too much money is made busting yuppies (figure about $10,000 in fines/lawyers/court ordered drug rehab). Besides, if you're a Chicago cop, who do you want to bust, an armed gang-banger or a stoned yuppie?

I'm sorry, are you "calling BS" on three marijuana-only DUI fatalities in two months being a statistically significant change from previous years or are you saying that, given the high background of other causes of traffic fatalities that there has yet to be a statistically significant rise in total traffic fatalities as the result of marijuana legalization?

Since Oregon decriminalized possession of less than an ounce of marijuana in 1973, it was no longer important to establish which drug was causing a DUI driver to be impaired, so it was up to the individual departments to keep - or not keep - statistics on marijuana or other drug use and traffic accidents. That makes getting state-wide data difficult.

Currently, alcohol-involved DUIs are the vast majority of DUIs, but that doesn't mean that these are all alcohol-only DUIs; it's much simpler to measure blood alcohol AND there are statutes governing maximum allowable blood alcohol, so there's no legal need to show the presence of other intoxicants if the blood alcohol level exceeds the legal limit.

In the county where I live, the Sheriff's office keeps records (since they house all the DUI arrest subjects) on what intoxicants are present in each DUI arrest, based on interview, blood tests, etc. It is their data that show a significant rise in the number of "marijuana-only" DUI arrests and in the number of DUI fatalities in which a surviving driver had only marijuana as an intoxicant.

I hope that clears up the issue.


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...I hope that clears up the issue.
You haven't proven anything, three unconfirmed stories don't make a fact. Read the link I posted, it confirms what has happened in CO. Just because someone falls asleep at the wheel, you make a false case, as if that never happened before OR made weed legal.

You just don't like the fact that one of cop's favorite harassment excuses (possession of weed) has gone away. Now you have to actually bust real criminals....
 
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