I am not aware that the 2021 Constitutional Carry law stops private businesses from restricting carrying in their property, any more than it does away with the places they are automatically not allowed such as schools, polling places, courthouses, bars...And this is an interesting point of contention. With Constitutional Carry in effect, the 30.06 and 30.07 signs become legally insignificant, at least in my opinion. I am not aware of any Court Cases that have upheld those signs since CC become The Law of Texas.
In 2021, changes in the law removed the requirement to have a license to carry (LTC) in order to carry a handgun in Texas. However, private properties like businesses can still prohibit firearms on their property.
guides.sll.texas.gov
Once again,What came first? Business or The Constitution? Specifically, The 2nd Amendment which inherently states.............Shall not be infringed.
You asked a question, so you are getting answers.I didn’t start this thread to cause an argument or to get anyone’s approval. For those of you that think you’ll have an element of surprise are assuming that you’ll be a bystander and not the one being targeted. I truly believe OC is a deterrent just like a uniformed officer is a deterrent. As far as they know you are LE. I take every precaution to make sure my gun is secured and keep my head on a swivel. This is just from many years as a LEO. I don’t even eat at an establishment if I can’t get my preferred seating at the back with my back against the wall and exits in sight. When I use the restroom I don’t use urinals I use a stall so I have a door between me and the public. These are things I’d do even if I carried concealed.
I agree,This subject's a well worn path in pretty much every gun forum. If OC's your thing, rock on. It's not for me.
You have a source for what charges he faces?<snip>
How about the guy who shot the robber in TX? He still got charged. If we had more people like him, crime and criminals would reduce their crime.
Very true.<snip>
Or do you open carry in the not so nice places, where drug dealers, gangs, and other dangerous people congregate? In places like these, open carry is an invitation for trouble. There is always some AH who will challenge you - call your bluff. Because that, to me, is exactly what open carry is - a bluff.
I stated they were already agitated.Those so called protestors Rittenhouse terminated were looking for trouble, regardless. Kyle Rittenhouse just happened to be a little 'saltier' than the so called protestors were accustomed to dealing with......................... 😎
A business would be pretty stupid to do such a thing, you would not be in business very long.Using your logic - and disregard for constitutional rights - a business could refuse to allow blacks in the store. Or whites. Or hispanics. After all " citizens are lawfully allowed to say who can and cannot be on their property."
There is no way of knowing if he had been carrying a concealed weapon that he would have been attacked,Does it matter where I OC? To answer you plainly, yes, I've OC'ed in both "safe" and sketchy areas. Your point is moot. I don't understand why you are attacking me. Is it because I'm upsetting you? Please take a step back and look at this objectively and not by your feelings.
Kyle was attacked by a pedofile because he had put out a fire. He was going to get attacked regardless. Then others still tried to murder him because he defended himself from that pedofile. Had Kyle not had that "black rifle," he would be dead.
The source is the 14th amendment, equal protection. You cannot single out a group for exclusion.And the source for that? Constitutional rights.
Change it to a business can bar Catholics or Methodists. Still won't fly.
I didn't dodge anything,We should not be restricted from carrying on a plane or in a school. Just because some current laws restrict that does not mean the laws are constitutional.
With regard to barring those of a certain religion, you completely dodged the issue being discussed. We are talking about the legality of such action, not the business/marketing consequences. Two totally different things.
It's @oldag that disagrees, not me.Business can restrict CCW, period. it is "their" business.
If they "feel" threatened, then it's not against the law to call the police.In the event Constitutional Open Carry IS The Law, then said Liberals who file a false police report(s) are breaking THE LAW!
Brandishing, again another grey area....I agree with this. It would not be against the law to simply call and state you saw someone carrying a firearm. It would make it illegal if you stated they were brandishing the firearm or some similar offense and they weren’t. But it’s not a false statement to just say you saw someone carrying if you did.
About the same here in rural areas.As some may be aware, I was dumb enough to volunteer to be King of the HOA. We are a rural to semi-rural neighborhood of hobby farms. Five to 20 acre lots. Several people have impromptu shooting ranges within my kingdom and also neighboring properties.
One of the neighborhood Karens called the Sheriff (whom I coincidentally know from his game warden days). She invited him to our annual HOA meeting to complain about shooting. The Sheriff smiles and listens intently….she complains about noise and safety. I was watching the neighbors faces for agreement.
Sheriff lets her finish then cites our county laws allowing discharge of a firearm for any legal purposes anywhere within the county, providing it is outside and not within 100 feet of a dwelling. He then gives Karen his card and told her until she had property damage, animal injuries, or a bullet wound, there was nothing he could do.
The Sheriff and I exchanged smiles and a hand shake and he acted like he had just met me.
Personally, I'm doing a heck of a lot more shooting now that hunting season is over.@JohnnyDollar
Around me, on opening day of dove season, it sounds like a minor war has broken out.
True. Hogs are not bothered too much.Wildlife adapt to the sound of gunfire if it becomes a relatively constant noise. Case in point, we have deer wander across the fields of the trap ranges all the time. They are usually far enough away not to have shot fall on them, but it happens occasionally. The usual reaction of the one hit is a slight jump and a vigorous shake.
