I do not care to have other people know that I am armed.
But if someone wants to OC, that is their choice.
But if someone wants to OC, that is their choice.
Open Carry
Not sure if this is the correct forum for this. I recently started back open carrying. I did it for years as an off duty LEO. I believe you make less of a target for a criminal open carrying. I also like the speed at which I can get my weapon into action by open carrying. I have plenty of weapon retention training and have a retention holster so no one can just snatch my gun. I don’t let people walk up from behind me and stay vigilante about this. There are a lot of ways to keep your firearms from getting taken away. I also don’t believe the myth that you‘re gonna be the first one taken in in a situation. I have been back open carrying for a few months now and can say most people don’t even notice. Here is a good article dispelling the myths of open carry. Daily Caller How many of you choose to exercise your right to open carry if your state allows it?
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You are talking what should be (with which I agree) vs. what is.What came first? Business or The Constitution? Specifically, The 2nd Amendment which inherently states.............Shall not be infringed.
Sorry, but the Constitution trumps all. The Constitution recognizes my right to bear arms. Just as it recognizes many other rights. If a business is open to the public, they should be required to recognize all constitutional rights.Once again,
the Bill of Rights is a RESTRICTION on the Government, not against citizens or against private property rights.
Texas is big on property rights as am I.
Growing up I remember most every business had a sign that stated they reserved the right to deny service to anyone, the liberals are really against that idea, I am not.
Someone's private (non-business) property? Different matter.
If one will consistently practice drawing from concealment, there is not a material difference in the time to draw. The chance of getting hung up in the shirt/coat tail will remain. But that probability can be pushed extremely low by consistent practice.
As far as printing from OWB carry, that is a non-concern. 99.99999% of the people will never notice and if they do they will likely assume it is a cell phone case.
As far as printing from OWB carry, that is a non-concern. 99.99999% of the people will never notice and if they do they will likely assume it is a cell phone case.
Using your logic - and disregard for constitutional rights - a business could refuse to allow blacks in the store. Or whites. Or hispanics. After all " citizens are lawfully allowed to say who can and cannot be on their property."A business is still private property. And citizens are lawfully allowed to say who can and cannot be on their property.
I can't think of anything better than a 1911 in .45 for concealed carry. The CCO and compact models are great. And you get to carry a real gun.I'll be the odd man out and suggest there wasn't a really good CCW for most people prior to the .380 Lite Rack. Previously, there were only snappy micro 9s, not good to train with.
Previously, the less snappy handguns were larger. The smaller soft caliber weapons had ammo limitations, such as the Sig 238 and the Beretta Tomcat.
Amazing that we had to wait until 2023 to get a really great CCW in the Lite Rack. I guess there's not much money in the biz, so that's why we had to wait this long for a really great option.
And the source for that? Constitutional rights.The thought was there but is incorrect. You still need to follow any laws that may apply. Being black is a protected class and cannot be discriminated against and refused entry on the basis of skin color.
Change it to a business can bar Catholics or Methodists. Still won't fly.
We should not be restricted from carrying on a plane or in a school. Just because some current laws restrict that does not mean the laws are constitutional.A business would be pretty stupid to do such a thing, you would not be in business very long.
The same applies to the entire alphabet community.
But by the logic that the constitution gives you a complete right to carry everywhere and anywhere at anytime,
how do the airlines restrict you from carrying on a plane? or the federal government with laws against carrying in courthouses, schools, etc. exist?
The constitution makes no exceptions, so how is it that felons 2A rights are infringed on?
When the constitution was ratified, the founders certainly did not believe that every citizen could carry anywhere, anytime in anyplace. as there were laws against conceal carry in the colonies and in the states even after the constitution was ratified.
With regard to barring those of a certain religion, you completely dodged the issue being discussed. We are talking about the legality of such action, not the business/marketing consequences. Two totally different things.
I am pointing out that you choose one constitutional right that a business open to the public can violate/deny, while ignoring that businesses open to the public must comply with other constitutional rights (beyond just the 14th). Forget legislation, I never mentioned it.I didn't dodge anything,
I answered it in post #96.But again,
You asked for the source,
What you are suggesting are Jim Crow laws, which were considered legal at the time they were enacted.
As I pointed out, the 14th amendment is the basis for the SCOTUS declaring those unconstitutional.
I'm sure you disagree with the SCOTUS decision, and that's fine, feel free to disregard it.
I also understand you disagree with the notion that carry of firearms can be restricted anywhere,
and I totally support your carrying anywhere and anytime you wish, open or concealed.
Good luck.
The OP asked a simple question as to who OC's.
He didn't ask for opinions nor was he trying to convince anyone pro or con.
This attitude is how we lose rights.
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