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I just picked up a box of 500 missouri 147 fn cast lead bullets from my lgs. When i got home and looked in my load manuals i couldnt find any loads for titegroup, hp38, or h110, chich are the 3 powders i currently have on hand. I will be going down to the gun store(im pretty sure they stock all the common powders) again soon and was wondering what any of you have used successfully with 147 gr. Lead.

Edit: Forgot to mention, i am loading for 9mm.
 

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HP38 is the same powder as 231, maybe you could find loads for that.
 

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296/H110 is a no-go. Too slow.
It would be nice if message stated that you are interested in the 9mm Luger (9x19).
TiteGroup burns very hot and doesn't get along with lead bullets all the time.
Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note P.F. COL
Rainier FMJ-RN 147 231/HP38 2.2 541 Start 80
Rainier P-HP 147 231/HP38 2.2 515 Start 76
Precision L-RNFP 147 231/HP38 3.0 870 128 1.100
Lead 147 231/HP38 3.2 Start 0
L-RN 145 231/HP38 3.3 786 Start 114
L-FP 147 231/HP38 3.3 865 Start 127 1.169
L-FP 147 231/HP38 3.5 905 Max 133 1.169
Rainier FMJ-RN 147 231/HP38 3.7 892 Max 131
Rainier P-HP 147 231/HP38 3.7 890 Max 131
L-RN 145 231/HP38 3.8 956 Accurate 139
L-CP 147 231/HP38 3.8 800 118 1.125
L-CP 147 231/HP38 4.0 850 125 1.125
BBI 147 TiteGroup 2.9 878 Minor 129 1.135
Bayou 147 TiteGroup 3.0 892 Minor 131 1.150
Precision L-RNFP 147 TiteGroup 3.0 948 139 1.100
Bayou 147 TiteGroup 3.2 929 Minor 137 1.150
Clements L-RNFP 146 TiteGroup 3.4 930 136
L-RN 145 TiteGroup 3.4 1000 145
L-RN 145 TiteGroup 3.4 1001 145
Bayou 147 TiteGroup 3.5 1043 153 1.150
 

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W231/HP38 and Unique are very close for economy and performance, if you have either, and just want shooter loads for practice, they are all excellent. The ball powders meter tiny charges better from my RCBS measure, and may be a consideration.

There are better powders for full power loads, but most run nearly twice the charge weight for marginal gains in terminal energy.
 

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I like Hodgkins "Clays" for target loads. I don't load for the 9mm but I use 4 grains of Clays under a 230 grain LRN for my 45 ACP. I also load my 12 gage shells with Clays. It burns clean and has less felt recoil.....Robin
 

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Tite-group is my favorite powder. I reload for .45 LC & .38 spl/.357 mag. with lead bullets and to date have had no problems with Tite-group
 

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As far as a recommendation for powder I actually prefer the ball powder equivalent of Unique and I consider that to be Ramshot True Blue. It can be used to load all handgun rounds typically with low extreme spreads and standard deviation. It's a very fine grained true ball powder and nothing will meter better. For defense type loads in 9mm and .40 S&W I like Silhouette because it will give good performance burns clean and has very low flash due to it's flash suppressant. For mostly cast lead loading, I'd probably buy True Blue. You can get great data at Ramshot ;)
 

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It's always interesting and informative to find what powder other folks use and what they're loading with it ... but it would be even more helpful if responders would note how they're delivering the charge.

For example, I've been following a thread elsewhere on loading 38/357 with Unique. The poster felt that Unique was his best powder choice for the performance he sought, but found that his Lee Pro Auto disk could not deliver a reliable charge (he's looking for +/- 0.3gr). An epic search ensued, eventually landing him on an RCBS Uniflow. He now reliably loads a variety of other powders with the Auto disk, but meters Unique exclusively through the Uniflow.

Point is, if powder recommendations included a delivery note, we might all avoid some heartache.
 

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My auto disk delivers Unique about +/- 0.2 gr. With my loads that is adequate. I would not go super big load without measuring them individually though. (Tare the scale on the empty case right before you add the powder, then weigh it afterwards.)
 

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My Lee Pro Auto Disk dispenses Unique at +.2/-0.0. My Dillon does +0.2/-0.2. My Hornady does +0.2/-0.1. My Lee Perfect Powder Measure does +0.1/-0.1.
There is no difference on target out to 50 yards. Small variation in powder is only noted at extreme range (say, 100 yards for 45 Auto, maybe).
Unique is also surprisingly accurate even at wider charge variation.
If it is accurate in your gun, it is probably the LEAST sensitive to charge weight variance and is incredibly easy to work with if you don't sweat the charge weight variation.
 

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I've put a few thousand rounds of lead 147's through my Beretta 92. I've used Tite Group and Power Pistol. I had some rather heavy leading issues with Tite Group, none with Power Pistol. Oh yeah, I also used Red Dot, people accused me of using black powder.
 

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CtCyankee...I used to live up north of Rte 80, on Mendingwall Cir. off Summerhill Rd...that old rod and gun club had a pretty good range and some good guys that shot there...it was on the other side, east of the reservoir...this was in the late 70's early 80's...Rod

Op...HP38 is a good powder for 9mm in the lighter weight bullets, but my experience is with 115 and 124 gr jacketed rounds. I've not had good luck with lead alloy bullets with any powder in 9mm (Colt Commander, Beretta 92, Colt 1911, Sig P290) which is not to say that good loads are not possible...

I'd try the Hodgen Powder Data site for recommendations using HP38/Winchester 231 (the same powder with a different label).

HTH's Rod
 

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Ive been using Unique with 115gr Plated in the SR9 and it works well besides being dirty. Bullseye has always been target ammo classic powder when youre trying to save few bucks.
 

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Hate to sound like a broken record but thats what I found out about the 147 grain Rainiers that my LC9 seems to like. The only real data I have found published is what Alliant has for GDHP and Unique. That load seems to work well with the plated Rainiers.
 
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