Ruger Forum banner
1 - 20 of 89 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
20 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I’m just curious if this is a local thing or is it happening across the whole country?
In September you can’t even go outside because it reeks of weed. 10 years ago, a large pot bust was 30 plants. Now they are cutting down grows of illegal weed with 10s of 1000s of plants. These things grow to over 10 feet tall and produce over 10 lbs of dried, trimmed buds each.
I first got my concealed permit about 30 years ago, so I could legally carry a loaded firearm home in my vehicle after a day of hunting. Now I am compelled to carry daily. A wrong turn in some local areas could literally cost you your life. There are Russian, Chinese, and Mexican Drug Cartels that rule large parts of Southern Oregon. Human trafficking, slave labor- the stuff you see on the local news is unreal. Greenhouses, hoop houses and large fields almost everywhere. Now there are varieties that flower year round .The rumor is that even large companies like RJ Reynolds have jumped on the Bandwagon. People busted from Dallas, Detroit, Philadelphia for transporting.
What are they doing with all this stuff? Is the whole country smoking weed from Southern Oregon and Northern California? Or is this stuff just being grown everywhere now?
Rant over
Fred
 

Attachments

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,476 Posts
It's pretty much legal in Missouri with a medical card and growers card so I don't think Missouri is buying Commiefornia or Oregon grass. Ten pounds a plant? Please
And no I don't partake but have friends that do it legal.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,922 Posts
I'm with @Sr40ken here. From a miss-spent youth, I can tell you "maybe" 1/2 pound per plant of the stuff you keep. It should be legal in all 50 states. Alcohol is an order of magnitude worse than weed. The hypocrites preach from their pulpit when they get drugs from people in white coats.

No, I no longer partake ONLY because I am subject to random and routine invasions of my privacy when they ask me to piss in a cup. It goes with my job.

The left has this one right.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
71 Posts
yes, it is becoming a bigger deal nationwide. a plant may weigh 10lbs, but not 10 lbs of smokeable weed. I am not an authority but I know some, and I tend to keep up with laws and history just because I am kind of nerdy. I was an old hippie during the woodstock era, and I served in the Navy (submarines, Nuclear weapons) after, so not always on one side of politics. It does surprise me that the state is not taking a closer look up there, but also not surprised. There are some laws about gun ownership and weed though. can't buy a gun if you have a medical MJ card. if you have a CCW and get caught with weed, you lose it, and a prosecutor might try to say you were then "illegally" carrying a weapon too.
Reminds me of a thing that happened in the Navy in the late 70's. In the 70's in Hawaii. I would bet 80-90% smoked it while there, including officers. No drug test for it at that point. the Navy got on just after while I was in; and most guys quit. Any way I was talking to a bunch of the guys I had been in class with and they smoked weed. I did not care what they did on their own time, but not at work, is my attitude. so I warned them if I caught them smoking at sea on the sub, I would bust them. they looked at me and said "Not Cool". I said wrong, what is not cool is smoking weed working with nuclear weapons on a submarine. We did work on the weapons/Birds we called them. So they did not run around with me after work, but I did not care about that.
What is going on in your area; that would really would scare me too. the weedheads don't bother me, but the guys who grow it and the money involved can be scary people. Some normal people grow too, to be fair. But they cannot legally deposit the money in a bank and they are still required to pay the income tax on the profit. A lot of cash is laying around those people too. So if some are not paying taxes, then again, scary people.
Don't carry a dinky gun, and a 9mm might not stop some of the crazies either coming at you, they will not be a standing in one place target. carry a few clips too. What you are describing I would want a .45 with extra mags or those things for fast loading a revolver. Might need to wear suspenders to keep your pants up too.
Here is an article on it about some laws and weed:
https://leafwell.com/blog/can-you-own-a-gun-with-a-medical-marijuana-card/
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,922 Posts
I am going to get in again before this thread gets nuked. A few key points....

1 - alcohol makes many violent. It can kill you if too much is consumed.
2 - weed makes you passive. You might smoke yourself to sleep, but you will wake up feeling great.
3 - weed stays in your body for up to a month. If you get tested like I do, you just have to quit.
4 - alcohol is gone from your body in a day. You can be a functioning alcoholic and stay under the radar.

The left has this right.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
11,594 Posts
as it has been stated, i can't answer your question but the building i work in has been sought out by a medical mary jane distribution facility ... building owner not sure if anything will become of it but you just never know ...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
11,594 Posts
I’m just curious if this is a local thing or is it happening across the whole country?
In September you can’t even go outside because it reeks of weed. 10 years ago, a large pot bust was 30 plants. Now they are cutting down grows of illegal weed with 10s of 1000s of plants. These things grow to over 10 feet tall and produce over 10 lbs of dried, trimmed buds each.
I first got my concealed permit about 30 years ago, so I could legally carry a loaded firearm home in my vehicle after a day of hunting. Now I am compelled to carry daily. A wrong turn in some local areas could literally cost you your life. There are Russian, Chinese, and Mexican Drug Cartels that rule large parts of Southern Oregon. Human trafficking, slave labor- the stuff you see on the local news is unreal. Greenhouses, hoop houses and large fields almost everywhere. Now there are varieties that flower year round .The rumor is that even large companies like RJ Reynolds have jumped on the Bandwagon. People busted from Dallas, Detroit, Philadelphia for transporting.
What are they doing with all this stuff? Is the whole country smoking weed from Southern Oregon and Northern California? Or is this stuff just being grown everywhere now?
Rant over
Fred
P.S ... just as a comment in passing, your post wasn't THAT long ... you should see some of the post when the simple questions are asked ...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
20 Posts
Discussion Starter · #9 ·
I can’t answer your question, but you answered some of mine. Clearly you know more about pot than I do. :p
Certainly I am an expert. I did grow up In the Rogue Valley during the 70’s.
The Point is: the quality of life here has taken a drastic turn for the worse since the legalization of marijuana.
Right after today’s COVID story, KTVL reports on the latest murder, warehouse explosion, kidnapping, et all, that is related to the drug problems here. Local sheriff have asked the governor to send in the National Guard. It has gotten bad and is getting worse…
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
584 Posts
It's pretty much legal in Missouri with a medical card and growers card so I don't think Missouri is buying Commiefornia or Oregon grass. Ten pounds a plant? Please
And no I don't partake but have friends that do it legal.
It's legal in MI for small amounts I think an ounce or two (recreational) no card needed.
A guy down the street from one of my rentals says he buys his from a person in Ohio, he says its better quality and less expensive (no tax).
So its possible others are doing the same.

The hood rats in Detroit are robbing the dope stores and killing people.

A couple examples if hood rats doing their thing.


 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,133 Posts
I am going to get in again before this thread gets nuked. A few key points....

1 - alcohol makes many violent. It can kill you if too much is consumed.
2 - weed makes you passive. You might smoke yourself to sleep, but you will wake up feeling great.
3 - weed stays in your body for up to a month. If you get tested like I do, you just have to quit.
4 - alcohol is gone from your body in a day. You can be a functioning alcoholic and stay under the radar.

The left has this right.
It also can be detected even longer in a hair sample doing a DNA test IF they really want to dig deeper.

I'm also and have been in the random drug testing group from my job. Retired now but do still work part time on call now and then, so still in the random testing group. Money is too good and easy to mess that up. Also easy sitting in a wheel loader all day loading trucks or moving equipment around to different sights.

Jobs are out there, but many people can't pass the drug test to get hired. Go figure....:rolleyes:
 
  • Like
Reactions: Corndog

·
Registered
Joined
·
89 Posts
Just my 2 cents for what it’s worth and I live in southern Oregon, and have seen some absolutely GIANT plants.......more like trees really and it’s NOT hemp.
10 lbs per plant easily.......of quality flower.
Im talking talking stalks that are 6 inches in diameter.
No I don’t partake, but did long long ago.........in a previous lifetime.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
504 Posts
I'm thinking at least 30% of the population smokes pot. Let's say that is 90 million people, let's say half of them smoke an ounce of weed every two weeks, the other 45 million smoke an ounce a month.

45 million ounces twice a month = 2,812,500 ounces X 2 = 5,625,000 ounces.
45 million ounce once per month = 2,812,500 ounces.
That's 8,437,500 ounces of pot consumed per month. If you divide that number by 16 ounces = 1lbs, that's 527,343.75 lbs of pot per month. Any way you look at it that is a shit load of weed. If you look at the $250.00 average price per ounce, that's a 2 plus billion dollar monthly business per month.

The unsavory people that started all this when everything was illegal is not going to leave the business now that it is becoming legal. I think you folks out there on the left coast are gong to see an ugly storm coming as the cartel moves freely into the US. It's a hell of a thing what's really going on in all areas of our country.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,922 Posts
Nope, reverse causation. They want to be violent, so they drink. They don't want to work or read, so they drink.
Sorry, you are just wrong. I am the child of a recovered functional alcoholic. My father never drank till he was in his late 30's. He finally escaped it 25 years later. He worked his tail off the entire time. I lived through a family bankruptcy after he retired with 21 years in the Army and when he became very successful in business as a polygraph examiner. He was my best friend and took a swing at me near the end when I was protecting my mother.

I lived it.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
5,100 Posts
Thanks guys for keeping it civil so far.

@fjetson, you have my sympathy. I know more about it than I want. My wife and I led a fight (successfully) to keep grow operations out of our township. We know that legalization in Michigan is a done deal, but the grow operations don’t belong everywhere. The operations that tried to move into my township is now in an industrial park. We did not want the crime that the industry brings in our community and we wanted to be able to do things like go outside without smelling the grow operations. I also just scheduled the drug test guys to come in next week to do my Q4 random drug test for my DOT guys (and if you are not familiar with the DOT clearing house, it is one reason for the driver shortage, but that is another conversation). Point is, the OP is 100% correct in his rant, the grow operations have a drastic negative effect on the quality of life in the community they set up shop.
It is also inevitable that it will become legal. I think the biggest obstacle to that is there are reliable tests to determine usage, but not impairment and once that test is developed, full legalization will be inevitable, regardless of your personal view. So the states that have “legalized” it (not really, see federal law) have put the cart before the horse in that regard. But one thing that is feeding The OP’s rant is the municipalities and states have gotten greedy with the idea of all this tax revenue generated. Sad thing is, most places have taxes legal pot so much to try to cash in, it’s still cheaper to buy black market pot tax free, which also further fuels the crime and quality of life impacts. So OP, I feel your pain. My community fought hard to recall and replace a corrupt township board to make sure what you are seeing never can happen in my community. Surrounding communities that did not do what we did have approached us to see how we did what we did and are regretting letting the grow operations set up shop, but once they are there, it’s hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,922 Posts
Part of the reason the weed industry brings crime with it, is that they have limited ways to handle the money. I would no more want to live near a grow operation than a distillery. It needs to be zoned properly. We also need to quit wrecking lives throwing people in jail over it and re-task the Police to find and fight real crime.

To a certain extent, I feel the same way about opioids. When the government cracked down on prescription pain meds, fentanyl sprang up. So we go from a drug with predictable effects to a game of Russian roulette with the illegal street drugs that filled the void. Drug use/abuse is a social problem and not a legal one.

Just like prohibition, the war on drugs is doomed to fail.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
11,594 Posts
Anyone who says pot smoking causes more trouble than alcohol is truly going through life with blinders on ... and before you ask and assume (you know who you are) I don't partake in the consumption of Mary Jane ...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
89 Posts
Regarding The Cartels and weed operations and crime, etc.
Yes, there are organized groups (cartels if you will, some gangs) doing large scale illegal grows in Oregon. But a VAST majority of their product is shipped out of state, mainly east. Marijuana here in Oregon is just plain CHEAP! $2 grams and $50 ounces.

Compare that to early 80s prices of $300-400/ounce...........factor in inflation, etc over the last 40 years..........and its plain to see that at least on the West Coast, the market has eroded to the point that MANY long tome growers, especially in the golden triangle area of NorCal and many parts of Oregon have simply thrown in the towel. It’s too hard to make a profit.

What is driving the weed growing market, and it’s something that worries me, is the market for super strong smokeable and edible THC, whether it’s oil, or “shatter”, or highly potent hash, or other new stuff I don’t even know about.
That concerns me, because it’s too strong imho.
It’s one thing to take a few hits off a joint of 12% THC weed.
It’s something entirely different to eat some 20% THC edible and chase it with 5 bong rips of 25% THC weed.
I’ve seen and know folks who use strong weed products regularly. They say marijuana is not addictive.
Eh.........I beg to differ. Chronic users are “hooked”............. maybe not like a meth or heroin addict, but still need that weed in order to function in the manner they like. If they don’t get it, they are grumpy, moody, bitchy, short tempered, irritable, etc.
just my opinions of course...
 
1 - 20 of 89 Posts
Top