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As you know, Kansas finally passed its concealed carry law. It doesn't take effect until Jan 1, 2007. The District Attorney in Shawnee county has already offered to provide 'No Handguns' signs to any business that wants them. (It's an election year.) I had an editorial published questioning his motives and who was actually paying for the signs. Of course his office did not respond. Now the Topeka City Council is trying to come to an agreement on a standard sign banning handguns from places of business. Damn! Why can't these idiots just take a 'wait-and-see' attitude? Are they expecting the gun fight at the OK Corral? I've said this before and I'm sure it isn't an original idea, but I think they should post signs reading "Murderers, rapists and robbers welcome! No one is armed on these premises except you.".
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I think every state that enacts a shall issue law goes through the same thing. They never bother to look around at the states that have already enacted similar laws and noted the exact opposite of their fears has happened. Violent crime goes down and there are no shootouts in the streets; their fears are irrational and unfounded and cannot be supported by facts.

The same thing happened in Michigan, but the organization primarily responsible for the law (Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners) organized such an overwhelming response to anyone that put up a sign that the signs soon came down. It was, and still is to some extent ( although the group split up) an internet based grass-roots movement that wielded some very respectable political muscle.

They would visit an establishment in mass and make a point of handing managers/owners a card that said something to the effect that they were law-abiding citizens that had passed background checks, etc, and that they would spend their money elsewhere. Some even put up unauthorized signs that read “Gun Free Criminal Enhancement Zone” right next to their No Firearms signs.

Some states are more difficult than others; Ohio is still struggling with this issue while Michigan and Indiana have pretty much made their point understood.

A large portion of the issue revolves around whether or not a state has a pre-emptive law, if not, any municipality anywhere can enact an anti-concealed carry ordinance resulting in a patchwork of laws and ordinances that are almost impossible to keep up with.

From a personal point of view, I ignore their signs. All they can do (in Michigan) is escort you out. This is a personal choice I make but your results may vary.
 

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In Texas-the proper sign is respected-all others are ignored-by me, anyways....but I go out of my way to make sure the SALES mgr. knows where my money and others I know WON'T be spent...money is all they understand. They have the right to deny us-but we have the right to deny them-which affects their bottom line more??
 

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bunzo351: A large portion of the issue revolves around whether or not a state has a pre-emptive law, if not, any municipality anywhere can enact an anti-concealed carry ordinance resulting in a patchwork of laws and ordinances that are almost impossible to keep up with.

Thankfully, Kansas law does not allow cities to modify the CCW law.

Sheepdog: In Texas-the proper sign is respected-all others are ignored-by me, anyways....but I go out of my way to make sure the SALES mgr. knows where my money and others I know WON'T be spent...money is all they understand. They have the right to deny us-but we have the right to deny them-which affects their bottom line more??

I hear you. Surely my money is as good as that of some of the slime that are</u> welcome and do not have a CCW permit.
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I carried about 40yrs without a piece of plastic, and would have got in a heap of trouble for defending myself or my love ones. I would go back to it if I had to but, I sure don't want to. I vote against all anti gun jerks I can. I will not spend my money in any store that is anti gun. I do what I can.
 

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Agreed, Baldy---the plastic sure has taken that sweaty feelin' off the back of my neck, too. I always figured better to than not.
 

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Agree with both of you. I always figured it was better to be convicted of a misdemeanor than end up dead.
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