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The biggest issue with the Marlin camp rifles was the bolt buffer at the rear of the receiver. It was made of plastic and would crack with heavy loads and usage. I'm surprised that no one hasn't machined a replacement out of urethane because it's alot more durable.

The second issue, (IIRC), is that they were only compatible with certain 9mm S&W mags, and nobody had come up with the idea of the magwell adapter yet
The new polymer buffers are made by Blackjack buffers/Power custom and they are guaranteed to last 5,000 rounds . The marlin factory buffers were brittle crap and only lasted +/- 1,000 rounds. I have a Camp 9 and it takes S&W 5900/6900 series magazines which is ok cuz you can get 20 rounders for it that work great.
 

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I think a PC in 10mm might be worthy of some thought. I've read articles about bear being taken with 10mm handguns so maybe the extra velocity of the longer barrel would be great for deer/hogs etc. Especially if the Glock G20 mags were used. I know I'd have some interest if they offered it in 10mm maybe even 45ACP with some +p ammo.
 

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Mine is accurate enough

The .40 cal. I’m happy about. The tacticool looking one with the free floating hand guard, not so much.

My biggest issue with pistol caliber carbines like this is that too me they’re basically expensive toys. They cause us headaches at our range. We have steel at 25, 50 and 100 yards. The steel at 25 and 50 is for rimfire and handguns, and we have a hard time keeping people from shooting it with AR’s. We’ve decided not to let people shoot the closer steel with pistol caliber carbines, as it confuses other shooters who think the carbines are rifles.

When we did allow shooting the 25 and 50 yard swingers with pc carbines, people seemed to waste a lot of expensive ammo blasting away at short range.

I’ve tried out Ruger PC Carbines at the range and have not been all that impressed. Accuracy seems to be lacking- at least with the examples I’ve tried out.

Ruger has found something that sells, and I say more power to them. It’s just not my cup,of tea.
I have the PC9 with a cheap TruGlo red dot on top and I can hit an 8" plate at 100 yds every time. That is accurate enough for me, and better than I can do with my G19. Practical? Maybe not. Lots of fun? Absolutely.
As for the knuckleheads at your range who are shooting the short range steel with ARs: They are either mentally deficient and can't follow instructions, or they just don't give a damn. Either way, just kick their *** off the range. It is unfair to punish the innocent for the actions of the guilty, ala gun control. As for people wasting expensive ammo "blasting away": Maybe that is their definition of "the pursuit of happiness". What do you care? Are you paying for the ammo?
 

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I picked up my PC9 about a month ago. Of course they come out with the 40 caliber after I bought mine.
I wasn't willing to pay the inflated price for a used PC40 on the auction sites
I felt that an AR9 is over kill. You don't need that much rifle to shoot a 9mm
Buds had a used Marlin camp carbine in 45 when I was there. I decided to go with the more reliable PC9
 

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I agree! The old PC4 carbines are way overpriced at this time. Now that the PCC40 is available, the prices of the old ones will go down.
The Marlin Camp Carbines need some parts upgrades to compete with the new stuff on the market and that will set you back a few dollars.
I think you made a good choice
 

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Marlin had a good idea with the Camp Carbines. Obviously the were 20 or so years ahead of their time with it.

On another note...

I stopped by my LGS today, and they had a couple of the Rugers on the rack. So I got curious and asked one of the salesmen for a 1911 magazine. I'd say it's VERY doable.

The angle is proper to the actual magwell... and it almost fits in the Glock adapter. Other than machining an adapter... the only issue might be the geometry for the mag release.
 

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Why 40 S&W and not 45 ACP?
My question as well...I would rather have one in .45 acp than .40...if they want me to plunk down that much, I want it in a caliber I prefer!
 

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Marlin had a good idea with the Camp Carbines. Obviously the were 20 or so years ahead of their time with it.

On another note...

I stopped by my LGS today, and they had a couple of the Rugers on the rack. So I got curious and asked one of the salesmen for a 1911 magazine. I'd say it's VERY doable.

The angle is proper to the actual magwell... and it almost fits in the Glock adapter. Other than machining an adapter... the only issue might be the geometry for the mag release.
That might be the question to put on 'ASK THE CEO' on the Ruger websight...to see if they might build an adapter that accepts 1911 magazines...it very well may improve their sales if that option were available?

Great thought!
 

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Fellows PCC competitions is one of the fastest growth areas in action shooting these days. The Ruger PCC, the Kel Tec Sub200 and the Beretta CX4 Storm are three of the more popular carbines seen up here. IDPA and IPSC run PCC competitions. They are extremely popular.

I have a KelTec Sub2000 as a truck gun loaded with +P9MM solids. More than enough for what walks around most places up here.

Take Care

Bob
[sI A little light for Brown bears but more than sufficient for Black Bears and Cats.
 

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Here’s a FRESH review on the newer “free float” 9mm Carbine..same guy reviewed the first version takedown model.

Wish he had field stripped both models side by side to show ANY differences.

 

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So does does putting the aftermarket free-float handguard on the takedown end up being more or less front heavy than the factory free-float model?
 

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So I have the m-lok free float version of the PC Carbine. Love it! I recently saw a video for the PC Charger version with the pistol grip, rear picatinny for a folding stock, and 5" barrel. I've wanted to change the stock chassis for an aftermarket like this anyway, and I liked the idea of a shorter barrel for home defense. I contacted Ruger to find out if they sold the chassis and short barrel separately. Since they have several versions of this gun and don't seem to be running out of ideas for new versions, the chassis and barrels are basically interchangeable. I already own one PC carbine and shouldn't need to purchase another one to get a different chassis and Barrel combination. Ruger emailed me back and stated that they don't currently sell those parts separately or individually and they have no intention of doing so in the future. Why would a company that has obviously caught on that this gun is selling well and people want different versions leave so much money on the table? If it wasn't so easy to swap out these components I would understand, but the barrel literally comes off and the chassis is held on with two screws. Aftermarket companies are going provide these things anyway but I'd rather have something made by company that makes the gun. Am I the only one frustrated by this?
 

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So I have the m-lok free float version of the PC Carbine. Love it! I recently saw a video for the PC Charger version with the pistol grip, rear picatinny for a folding stock, and 5" barrel. I've wanted to change the stock chassis for an aftermarket like this anyway, and I liked the idea of a shorter barrel for home defense. I contacted Ruger to find out if they sold the chassis and short barrel separately. Since they have several versions of this gun and don't seem to be running out of ideas for new versions, the chassis and barrels are basically interchangeable. I already own one PC carbine and shouldn't need to purchase another one to get a different chassis and Barrel combination. Ruger emailed me back and stated that they don't currently sell those parts separately or individually and they have no intention of doing so in the future. Why would a company that has obviously caught on that this gun is selling well and people want different versions leave so much money on the table? If it wasn't so easy to swap out these components I would understand, but the barrel literally comes off and the chassis is held on with two screws. Aftermarket companies are going provide these things anyway but I'd rather have something made by company that makes the gun. Am I the only one frustrated by this?
Why sell parts when you can sell whole guns. Seems pretty obvious to me. I have the PCC 18.5". Instead of waiting for the pistol grip version I opted for a CZ Scorpian Carbine. Nice thing about the gun market is we have choices.

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So I have the m-lok free float version of the PC Carbine. Love it! I recently saw a video for the PC Charger version with the pistol grip, rear picatinny for a folding stock, and 5" barrel. I've wanted to change the stock chassis for an aftermarket like this anyway, and I liked the idea of a shorter barrel for home defense. I contacted Ruger to find out if they sold the chassis and short barrel separately. Since they have several versions of this gun and don't seem to be running out of ideas for new versions, the chassis and barrels are basically interchangeable. I already own one PC carbine and shouldn't need to purchase another one to get a different chassis and Barrel combination. Ruger emailed me back and stated that they don't currently sell those parts separately or individually and they have no intention of doing so in the future. Why would a company that has obviously caught on that this gun is selling well and people want different versions leave so much money on the table? If it wasn't so easy to swap out these components I would understand, but the barrel literally comes off and the chassis is held on with two screws. Aftermarket companies are going provide these things anyway but I'd rather have something made by company that makes the gun. Am I the only one frustrated by this?
I asked ruger if they had plans to make an adapter for the PCC to accept M&P magazines, they said no.
So a $5.00 part that they could design in an hour or two is costing them rifle sales.
I know a few guys that are heavily invested in M&P's that don't Glock so it isn't practical to buy a PCC because then you need separate mags. Kel-Tec makes adapters for their sub2k to take different brand mags, I don't understand why ruger refuses to?
I have not even found anyone aftermarket making the adapters, seems like a 3D printed part should be an easy profit for someone.
 

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That's exactly it. They are literally leaving money on the table that aftermarket companies will just walk in eventually and pick up. For the chassis and barrel they don't even have to manufacture any additional parts as they're already making them. SMH.
 

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Marlin made their Camp Carbine in 45 acp that took standard mags from 1985-1999. They just did not sell enough to keep them in production. The 9mm version did not hold up very well because folks were shooting cheap import 9mm ammo in them, which was actually plus P level, designed for machine guns. And the 45 acp does not gain much velocity with the 18 inch barrel, less than 200 fps, so not much power gain. Not legal for hunting deer in most states, so they just dropped them from production In fact, once you pass about 50 yards, you would be much better off with a 30 cal carbine. But then again, the same size weight gets you into the ARs or Mini 14s, Mini 30 etc. same or less money, so no market for them. FYI
:confused: Maybe it's just me....but I think the 45 was poorly marketed. I was not aware of them until you couldn't get them. Maybe if they made a better effort to get them out in the public's eye they would still be around.
 
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