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Tech tip on American Pistol......Please Read Before trying to remove and change grips

I was watching the Ruger Tech tips on Ruger site about changing the grips...DO NOT GO BY THAT VIDEO.......this may be the problem some are having with the grips....instead read the manual that came with your gun...video just tells ya to turn screw and explains how to remove and install grips, you can see the slide is still installed........manual says to remove slide as you would to tear it down to clean....then turn screw 1/4 counter clockwise and follow directions to remove......follow directions to install....turn screw1/4 clockwise...now re-assemble gun...I tried to do it like the video said and couldn't do it unless I wanted to force things so I got the manual out....easy as pie to do this by the manual plus there are no gaps anywhere.........Ruger needs to change their online Tech Video...its wrong....wonder if MAC boys bothered to read manual are do they think they are too smart to read a manual....
 

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I guess I should have read the manual. I just sent mine back to ruger for breaking the torq wrench tip in the locking screw. :(
 

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I guess I should have read the manual. I just sent mine back to ruger for breaking the torq wrench tip in the locking screw. :(
what did Ruger say when you spoke with them......I hope you explained the online directions are not the same as the manual directions.......
 

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"Read the manual."

I found that out belatedly with my first 10/22. Lotsa folks (me) have a frustrating time putting the bolt back in the receiver. Once you "get it," it's a piece of cake from then on. But until then..... ? Lotsa swear words involved.

So, I was watching a YouTube video one day, and the guy who made the video about putting the bolt back in kept stressing "read the manual" I cursed the screen, and said "I did read the manual!" But then something told me to read it again. I did read it again. And again. And... and suddenly a lightbulb came on in my head. I knew how to do it! I reached over and snapped my bolt back in just like that. Easy peasy.

I guess American Pistol owners need to do that, too.
 

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"Read the manual."

I found that out belatedly with my first 10/22. Lotsa folks (me) have a frustrating time putting the bolt back in the receiver. Once you "get it," it's a piece of cake from then on. But until then..... ? Lotsa swear words involved.

So, I was watching a YouTube video one day, and the guy who made the video about putting the bolt back in kept stressing "read the manual" I cursed the screen, and said "I did read the manual!" But then something told me to read it again. I did read it again. And again. And... and suddenly a lightbulb came on in my head. I knew how to do it! I reached over and snapped my bolt back in just like that. Easy peasy.

I guess American Pistol owners need to do that, too.
May I suggest this post or come up with one that explains all this gets pinned somewhere, will save a lot of headaches for a lot of people and could stop some of the bad-mouthing of the RAP...I am a retired I/E-C tech..stand for Instrumentation, Electrical electronics and control process tech....I never went to repair or calibrate anything without the manual with me....many times during my career did the manual save my arse......I would tell new apprentices that the manual will repair it for you...your just the hands that it uses......
 

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I after what I found with the grip change out deal....I read the manual for it front to back...even downloaded a copy to my smart phone for field use if neede
 

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I guess I should have read the manual. I just sent mine back to ruger for breaking the torq wrench tip in the locking screw. :(
breaking wrenches...heard that somewhere before....I knew I had turned mine the 1/4 counterclockwise ...I just couldn't slide the grip off...placed some pressure on the grip but wouldn't budge....removed slide and it slid off so easy and went back on easy and locked right in place...nice transformation from grip to frame......didn't look anything like the few pictures posted
 

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Many years ago, before Youtube - before the internet even - I was cleaning my newly purchased PC-9 after its first range trip.

Paying close attention to the manual on reassembly - perhaps a bit closer attention that I paid before tear down - I came to the bit about inserting the stock washer.

Well, I couldn't find the stock washer. We were cleaning guns on a picnic table in my buddy's back yard so we searched with a fine tooth comb. Found a flexible plastic washer, but it didn't look much like the one in the parts diagram, and I tried and tried, but no matter how I put it in there, the gun wouldn't go back together.

I finally gave up and called Ruger CS on Monday. After explaining the problem, they asked for the serial number of my gun. "Oh yeah. That's a recent model. We quit using the stock washer, but haven't gotten the manual updated yet."

Oh, and that washer I was trying to cram in there? Yep. A plain old garden hose washer.
 

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what did Ruger say when you spoke with them......I hope you explained the online directions are not the same as the manual directions.......
Nothing much, but good customer service. They told they would send me a Fedex label to return it and they would have the gun repaired. I sent it Friday and should be there on Tuesday.
On a side note. I took it the range the previous Wednesday. I ran perfectly, zero failures. I had the put the large grip on it because had felt the most comfortable, but I wondered if the medium grip would have been better for me, so that's when I figured out the grip locking screw was stuck.
 

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Nothing much, but good customer service. They told they would send me a Fedex label to return it and they would have the gun repaired. I sent it Friday and should be there on Tuesday.
On a side note. I took it the range the previous Wednesday. I ran perfectly, zero failures. I had the put the large grip on it because had felt the most comfortable, but I wondered if the medium grip would have been better for me, so that's when I figured out the grip locking screw was stuck.
did you remove the slide completely....I just want to know if that was an issue...I tried and couldn't remove the grip...I rechecked the torx screw by turning it clockwise 1/4 turn and turning it counter clockwise a 1/4 turn and I was positive the locking screw was turning but still couldn't slide the grip off without using an extreme amount of force and I knew that couldn't be correct....I did not force it...I did come close to forcing it but I got the manual out first and right there it said to remove the slide according to #? to#? which ment taking it off the gun, picture even showed it was off the gun...so when I did that...then the 1/4 turn ccw the grip slid off with hardly any effort at all and the large slide right on and locked in place turned the screw cw and was good to go...didn't like the large so went back to medium changing them out as stated i the manual and again was a breeze... so I would like to know if leaving the slide on can create problems...in my case it made a big difference....let me know if you removed or left your slide on
 

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Many years ago, before Youtube - before the internet even - I was cleaning my newly purchased PC-9 after its first range trip.

Paying close attention to the manual on reassembly - perhaps a bit closer attention that I paid before tear down - I came to the bit about inserting the stock washer.

Well, I couldn't find the stock washer. We were cleaning guns on a picnic table in my buddy's back yard so we searched with a fine tooth comb. Found a flexible plastic washer, but it didn't look much like the one in the parts diagram, and I tried and tried, but no matter how I put it in there, the gun wouldn't go back together.

I finally gave up and called Ruger CS on Monday. After explaining the problem, they asked for the serial number of my gun. "Oh yeah. That's a recent model. We quit using the stock washer, but haven't gotten the manual updated yet."

Oh, and that washer I was trying to cram in there? Yep. A plain old garden hose washer.
Ive seen the same thing when I was a tech, specially with something that has been in production for awhile...they change some things but fail to update the manuals unless the change is huge or a total new design......since the RAP is new and nothing like they have previously made I would think it was correct.....maybe the tech guy on their video's wasnt up on it....who knowsin any circumstance I think looking at the manual can never hurt and if that dont work dial ***-***-**** and ask wtf did yall do lol:eek:
 

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did you remove the slide completely....I just want to know if that was an issue...I tried and couldn't remove the grip...I rechecked the torx screw by turning it clockwise 1/4 turn and turning it counter clockwise a 1/4 turn and I was positive the locking screw was turning but still couldn't slide the grip off without using an extreme amount of force and I knew that couldn't be correct....I did not force it...I did come close to forcing it but I got the manual out first and right there it said to remove the slide according to #? to#? which ment taking it off the gun, picture even showed it was off the gun...so when I did that...then the 1/4 turn ccw the grip slid off with hardly any effort at all and the large slide right on and locked in place turned the screw cw and was good to go...didn't like the large so went back to medium changing them out as stated i the manual and again was a breeze... so I would like to know if leaving the slide on can create problems...in my case it made a big difference....let me know if you removed or left your slide on

I had the medium on from the factory and felt like the large fit my hand better. I tried several times with either grip on the gun. I did have the slide on and no problems removing the grips.
I took it the range and put 300+ rounds thru it with the large grip. Took it home and decided to switch grips. The grip wouldn't come off. With the slide on. Couldn't turn the torx hex screw. :confused:
I then thought I better clean it. Took it apart, including the slide, but didn't think to try and take the grip off.
Didn't want to send it back to Ruger dirty. :)
 

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I had the medium on from the factory and felt like the large fit my hand better. I tried several times with either grip on the gun. I did have the slide on and no problems removing the grips.
I took it the range and put 300+ rounds thru it with the large grip. Took it home and decided to switch grips. The grip wouldn't come off. With the slide on. Couldn't turn the torx hex screw. :confused:
I then thought I better clean it. Took it apart, including the slide, but didn't think to try and take the grip off.
Didn't want to send it back to Ruger dirty. :)

did you then try to change out the grips with the slide off....I am just trying to see if that causes problems........I couldn't remove mine until I removed the slide and it was like melting butter with a torch.....hate when a video says one thing and manual says another......I clearly had a problem with the slide on and none with it off.......waiting for ruger to respond to me on that...I am going to give them a call in the morning...forget about waiting for e-mail response
 

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I had to try it again since I had run 50 rounds through it since the last grip change.....same results....turned the screw the 1/4 turn applied little more than normal pressure to remove grip...notta...turned screw back ......removed slide....turned screw 1/4 turn ccw applied very little pressure to grip as instructed by manual.....she came right off....installed large grip lined up marks and slid up and locked in place....turned screw 1/4 cw added a bit more pressure not much to insure screw was all the way....installed slide....everything looks and works great....think I will try the large grip again the next time I shoot...so I am baffled....I cant change mine unless I go by the manual...Think Ruger needs to answer this question...does it matter about the slide..on....off......if it does the video and manual need to be the same or they are gonna be getting a lot of guns returned for that one problem
 

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Tumbleweed ... Thank you for pointing this issue out. In the event that they were not already aware, I copied Ruger on this thread.
 

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did you then try to change out the grips with the slide off....I am just trying to see if that causes problems........I couldn't remove mine until I removed the slide and it was like melting butter with a torch.....hate when a video says one thing and manual says another......I clearly had a problem with the slide on and none with it off.......waiting for ruger to respond to me on that...I am going to give them a call in the morning...forget about waiting for e-mail response
I pulled the grip off without taking the slide off. I watched the video, turned the screw 1/4 counter clockwise, then pulled the grip off. It worked for me several times. So I never finished the video where it said to read the manual.
After taking it to the range and before I cleaned it. I couldn't turn the torx screw anymore. I twisted the splines on the wrench they provided and broke the tip off another. Trying to turn the screw.
 

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I pulled the grip off without taking the slide off. I watched the video, turned the screw 1/4 counter clockwise, then pulled the grip off. It worked for me several times. So I never finished the video where it said to read the manual.
After taking it to the range and before I cleaned it. I couldn't turn the torx screw anymore. I twisted the splines on the wrench they provided and broke the tip off another. Trying to turn the screw.
could you see what happens if you remove the slide first and then try to remove the grip......
 

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Tumbleweed ... Thank you for pointing this issue out. In the event that they were not already aware, I copied Ruger on this thread.
when reading the manual on changing the grips, the first thing it says is to remove the slide and refers you to the section explaining how to do this, then it basically says what they say and do in the video, the video clearly shows slide in place, manual clearly shows slide removed...I sent Ruger 2 inquiries on this issue, have not heard back yet, left my name and number case they needed more information
 

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could you see what happens if you remove the slide first and then try to remove the grip......
I took the slide off to clean it. That was after I couldn't remove the grip. I never looked to see what was going on. I wasn't able to turn the screw. I'm thinking if I was able to loosen the torx screw I would have been able to remove the grip.
 
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