OK, Bud- Tim edumacated me by PM what that means-I missed that one somehow-thought I'd heard them all-what's Jackson near? I went to Tn. in 2003-all the way to Greeneville/Newport-prettiest country I've seen in ages-gotta go back soon. Saw a school of fish in the Pigeon River about 18" of water-just hanging there-then they moved all at once-neat-here in Tx. you don't see nuttin' in the water-just throw bait in and hope you don't draw back a water moccasin-you guys must be awful reluctant to travel!