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Is aparentely on the same level as Taurus. At least mine was. At $750 bucks (new) one would kinda expect a little better craftsmanship to be put into the gun then just the regular GP100. I am not sure if my gun was a Monday or Friday gun considering the box didn't come with the little yellow envelope stating the final inspection date also containing the fired factory casings.

Some of the "problems" I noticed much later on when completely breaking the gun down, I did not notice at the store. When I picked up the gun from the store as a transfer I was looking at more of the function of the gun.

*Does the cylinder rotate okay?
*Is there any binding?
*Is the barrel canted?

Etc.

One of the issues I noticed at the store was the 11 degree crown. Near the rifling was like a deep tooling mark. I had the gunsmith look at it before I accepted the transfer. He stated that it was fine and it was nothing to be concerned about considering the rifling wasn't chipped or cracked.




After polishing the crown. You can see the marks but they are not as bad. This is after pic after working on it.

Then there was the biggest eye sore of it all. The crane to frame fit.



There is a big wide open gap. The crane was somewhat okay. It was the metal underneath barrel that was unevenly cut. In front of the crane there was some metal that needed to be cut back.



This is a pic of everything being cut back or sanded down.



Finished result.

The hammer was also unevenly cut near the back. The right side had more metal.





After shot, after working on the hammer. Both sides are more rounded.

The hammer is the last thing I am working on. For some reason it is rubbing up against the left side of the frame near the firing pin.



I know the Match Champion has hammer shims, but apparently they were not the right size or Ruger just threw some in there just to say,

"yeah, it has hammer shims. Derp :B"

I even put a .0011 hammer shim on the left side only. Nothing on the right side and hammer still rubs in that area. It's not the look I am worried about. It's the hammer slowing down and causing light strikes with a lighter spring in the gun. 10 lb spring.

Now at this point, if you read all this, you may be saying to yourself, "why didn't you send it back to Ruger".

Well several reasons actually. I thought if they couldn't get it right before it left the factory then how much better could they make it if I sent it back? I figured, if you want it done right do it yourself. I also have seen posts from people on here from Ruger saying with things I showed from above, "well the gun still functions, so what". I feel like Ruger guns at this point are like some of those 1970's muscle cars that people buy to restore. The seller wants a premium for the car even though it has a lot of problems.

What do I need to do to fix the hammer from rubbing into the frame? I also have yet to shoot the gun. So I dunno if that one area on the crown is going to affect accuracy. If it does cause issues then I guess I have no choice but to send the gun back.

I have put in somewhere along the line of 19 to 22 hrs fixing the issues I mentioned. At $750 I am really disappointed in the quality Ruger. I am curious to see what a $1100 gun looks like from Ruger.
 

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Looks like ruger got the apprentice on that one!!
 

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The only complaint I have about my new gp100 i purchased yesterday was the sharp edges on the trigger guard. I quick hit with my buffing wheel took care of that issue.
 

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That one would be going back...........and I wouldn't accept it back until it was right.
Going back for what? The crown and the hammer rubbing issue or it should have gone back all together?

My last 2 issues are the hammer and the mark on the crown.
 

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First off I have had both Taurus & Rugers I like both but have never had any issues with any Taurus Revolver or Semi-Auto. Now my two latest Ruger SP101's rough edges on the hammer Spurs the triggers & trigger guards. A quick polish with the dremel took care of these problems. I got these guns via trade. Your description of your Ruger Match Champion if you bought it new you shouldn't have accepted it with the issues you brought up. Demand a different gun at the LGS. But now that you decided to invest your time into this gun, Well you really haven't given Ruger CS a chance to make your gun right. I never had a S&W come to me with rough edges or heavy trigger pulls and actions. You paid good money on your MC let Ruger correct the issues. I have seen both negative & positive reports here on Ruger GP100 MC. There should be better QC on Rugers part so these problem guns get fixed before they are shipped out in the first place. I like both Ruger & S&W I have both currently but more Rugers. Send your GP100 MC back good luck to you.
 

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First off I have had both Taurus & Rugers I like both but have never had any issues with any Taurus Revolver or Semi-Auto. Now my two latest Ruger SP101's rough edges on the hammer Spurs the triggers & trigger guards. A quick polish with the dremel took care of these problems. I got these guns via trade. Your description of your Ruger Match Champion if you bought it new you shouldn't have accepted it with the issues you brought up. Demand a different gun at the LGS. But now that you decided to invest your time into this gun, Well you really haven't given Ruger CS a chance to make your gun right. I never had a S&W come to me with rough edges or heavy trigger pulls and actions. You paid good money on your MC let Ruger correct the issues. I have seen both negative & positive reports here on Ruger GP100 MC. There should be better QC on Rugers part so these problem guns get fixed before they are shipped out in the first place. I like both Ruger & S&W I have both currently but more Rugers. Send your GP100 MC back good luck to you.
If the mark on the crown is okay after a range session I may send it back for the hammer issue.
Everything else I fixed. The crane to frame fit. The excess metal on the back of the hammer.

I also noticed the guns trigger is not as nice as my regular 6" gp100. In fact my regular gp100 is all stock and has a smoother and cleaner break then the Match Champion. That's even after doing a trigger job to it.
 

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I bought into all the hype too and bought one a few months back! The crane to frame fit was terrible and the trigger pull was horrendous! I have since unloaded it in a trade for more cash than I had in it.
 

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I bought into all the hype too and bought one a few months back! The crane to frame fit was terrible and the trigger pull was horrendous! I have since unloaded it in a trade for more cash than I had in it.
I held off for the longest time because of the posts I saw on here, but I decided to take a chance. I guess I didn't luck out. There is one thing that is good about the quality of Ruger firearms you can at least have more of reason to drop the price down when buying from a FFL if you can point out issues to them.

I will try it next time if I choose to buy another Ruger firearm. This is my 3rd Ruger. My 2nd one, an SR40 I sold due to barrel penning issues. I feel like buying a new Ruger for me is like buying a used car. "It's going to need some work".
 

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I work part time in a LGS so I got it at the owners cost and I resold for a little more than I had in it but less than retail.
 

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Morning MadNick;

It is unfortunate that a gun is built with those defects. That seems to be the nature of the gun industry anymore. All the gun companies are selling their poor quality guns as fast as they can build them so there is really no incentive for them to improve the quality.

Last 2 Smiths I have bought were pretty bad in the fit & function department & my last couple of Rugers were no better.

Good luck on your hammer issue-- my last (about 1 year ago) Ruger GP100 had such a bad hammer fit & drag that I actually sent it back to Ruger. It came back with the same hammer drag & off center hammer. So I sent it back again & still no joy on Ruger repairing it (they said it shot OK)--

I ended up shimming the hammer to the right with a .004" R/H shim & two .009" L/H shims THEN using a file & wet/dry paper to open up the L/H side of the hammer slot in the frame. I also had to sand the trigger guard due to a knife like edge, dehorn the trigger itself due to very sharp corners at the top, shim the trigger as it dragged badly on the trigger housing, then shim the rear sight as it moved laterally in it's rough machined oversized slot.

The real bad part is: I looked at 4 GP 100's & bought the best one of the 4 .

The gun NOW shoots excellent & has a decent trigger pull but the finish is still poor as there are machining marks on the frame & barrel & very rough machine marks under the crane. (one of these days I need to take about 10 hours & sand those out but they just look bad & don't effect the shootability)
 

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I am not sure if my gun was a Monday or Friday gun considering the box didn't come with the little yellow envelope stating the final inspection date also containing the fired factory casings.
I don't have much to add except to say that the fired casing envelope is no longer included with new guns. The last state requiring it drop the requirement so they just don't do it anymore. I kinda miss it.:(
 

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How does it shoot?
I dunno as of yet. I am hoping it's a tack driver. I will report back. I am going to the range today. Currently in the process of polishing the frame and widening the frame on the left where the hammer comes in contact with the frame. I can see on the right side of the frame that area is "flared" out.

 

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Mine wasn't a tack driver. Good luck with yours. I have several security six revolvers that will outshoot any of them!
 

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Final polish


And off to the range.
I will be shooting 3 different brands to see how it groups.

Federal Wadcutter 158 grain.
Perfecta FMJ 140 grain
Remington SJHP 125 grain.
 

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I just never will understand someone buying a new firearm...taking it home and finding obvious manufacturing flaws and getting out the tools to fix the shoddy work that went into the gun at the factory...it's sort of like buying a new car and rebuilding the suspension to correct flaws from the factory, before taking it for a first drive...

If I buy new (which is very seldom any more) it's got to be right or back it goes...and again and again if they can't get it right...The "Chinese way" of quality control (send it out untested...if it fails replace it but don't do any Q/C in the initial phases) has become a way of life with many companies.

I'm urged to "buy American"...in some cases my answer to that is only if there is a reason for the premium price..

Ruger was sort of just coming into the picture back when I was working in a gun store in Northern Colorado in the 50's...they were the hot stuff and were the hot stuff for many years...I've seen several "new" GP100's and one of the 1911's that had serious and obvious defects that somehow "slipped past"...looks a bit like the Chinese Q/C at work and should not be that way.

I have a safe full of Rugers but no new ones..all used and proven..And aside from some tight throats on a 45Colt Vaquero I've had to do no work (and that was for my convenience).
 

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I just never will understand someone buying a new firearm...taking it home and finding obvious manufacturing flaws and getting out the tools to fix the shoddy work that went into the gun at the factory...it's sort of like buying a new car and rebuilding the suspension to correct flaws from the factory, before taking it for a first drive..
Some of the flaws i did not notice at the store. Had I noticed the crane to frame fit at the store, I would have said no to the transfer. To be honest, I wasn't even looking for that at the store. This is my 2nd revolver in general. A lot of people on here don't see some cosmetic flaws that someone else sees first. It isn't until someone mentions it, then everyone else decides to check there very own gun and sure enough they have the same cosmetic flaws too. But I do get where your coming from.
 

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38 special 7 yds



357. 7 yds. The recoil did take some time getting use to from a 4". I am use to the 6" weight from my regular gp100.


357 10 yds
My gun doesn't seem to have any issues with the crown from what I can see. The accuracy seems good enough and the gun is capable of shooting a ragged hole depending on the shooter. I am more use to the semi autos.
 

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The workmanship out of Ruger is often just "shoddy" and there is no reason for it other than they can get away with it. My GP-100 has been great, very accurate but did require the cylinders to be reamed out to .358 - none were close. I installed shims due to rubbing on the right side of the hammer, Shims helped. I expired leading in the first 8th inch of rifling due to barrel constriction. Still get some but now using powder coated bullets which seems to have eliminated the issue.

Returning the gun to Ruger is not an option up here. I would like a Match Champion but not at $1.1KCdn the dealers up here think the gun is worth. I'll have to wait for one to come up used or until our dollar strengthens.

I have two Ruger handguns, both of which needed finishing. If there is nothing comparable to Ruger for what I want and the Ruger fits my needs I will buy Ruger but only if there is no alternative product. It seems buying anything made in North America these days is a crap shoot and Ruger is no exception. Fortunately guns don't often wear out and there is a lot of quality product in the market made at a time when there were folks still working that took pride in their work or at least new what the hell they were doing.

Take Care

Bob
 
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