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William Shakespeare once wrote:
"To brake, or not to brake, that is the question.
Whether 'tis nobler to suffer the unbraked recoil of a short barrel,
Or to share to blast and flash of the brake with my neighbors..."

OK, so that wasn't written by ol' Willy. But I've been wondering how many folks who have a rifle that can accept a muzzle brake use them or leave them off.

I understand the tradeoffs, on the one hand you can have reduced recoil, but on the other hand send dust and noise all around you on the shot.

I have a 16" GSR in .308, and have been considering what to do with the brake. At the indoor range the other day, I noticed people were coming over to see what I was shooting, so I know that thing must be a bit loud. It doesn't seem like it when you're right behind the gun.

So, if you have a GSR, or any other bolt gun, just curious, do you use the muzzle brake or take it off?
 

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Brake on, it’s never been off. When going to a shooting range, it’s your responsibility to bring adequate ear protection, not mine. Some may view this as an ignorant response, but firearms are loud, plan accordingly. If there’s no range restrictions I’m shootin it.
 

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I have the same 16" Ruger Gunsite Scout and I took the muzzle brake off mainly because it can negatively effect accuracy and I don't want to bother people in the next lane over.

308 doesn't really recoil a lot anyway.

This video explains how they can negatively effect accuracy.

 

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Left mine on, a Ruger Hawkeye LRT in 6.5 CR. With the 26" barrel, it's not that loud. Took the brake off an AR 15 with an 18" barrel. I think the AR is loud enough without the brake. Loved the look with it on but removed it in deference to fellow shooters at the range.
 

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Rude people bringing guns with brakes to an indoor range is why I no longer go to them.
Having my hat blown off my head by the person two stalls down makes for an unenjoyable range trip.
 

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I have a brake on a .243 because I can spot my own hits. I only shoot it outdoors, and even then I have learned not to set up near anything that will reflect the blast back at me. It's a target/fun rifle. If I were to hunt with it I would have to use hearing protection as even one shot would cause damage. There are definitely tradeoffs when using a brake.
 

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I think they are asinine on almost all guns, short of big 50 cals maybe. But I have a problem with people who can’t manage recoil, and look for crutch solutions. In ATA trap shooting there are people who try to call for a second bird because they claimed they flinched, and those sort of people believe it’s impossible to overcome a flinch. In my thinking, learning and practicing the mental self-discipline of not anticipating the recoil is part of what makes one a marksman or responsible hunter.

Same goes for ported shotgun and handgun barrels. Then you see new shooters, women and kids having to deal with the guy beside them who can’t cowboy up. Not impressive.
 

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I have the a few of the same 16 inch .308 GSR rifles one arrived with a flash hider the other with that little radial muzzle brake.
Anyway to me they all seem as loud as each other brake or no brake the 16 inch rifles have a particularly loud bark regardless ..The felt recoil difference is not that much between them brake or no brake..
I only really hunt and don't go to ranges much but I can imagine the outward blast from the brake might be annoying if your sitting right next to it all afternoon.
I tend to agree to some extent with mark204 its a noisy sport and one should expect it.. bit like going to dirt bike races and complaining about noise and 2 stroke fumes. That being said if I sight any larger calibre rifles in with brakes I will avoid busy days and pick a lane away from people so I don't ruin their day.
 

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...bit like going to dirt bike races and complaining about noise and 2 stroke fumes.
I have a better sporting analogy. It’s a bit like going to a sporting event expecting applause and cheering, and you’re stuck sitting next to “that guy” who is the one in the stadium constantly screaming profanity at the other team, and “advice” to the coaching staff (based on his expertise from playing in high school.) :rolleyes: Then he acts like an *** when everyone tells him to shut up. It’s called narcissism and a lack of emotional intelligence when you can only think about yourself and your self gratification.
 

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I had a muzzle brake on a Savage 308 with a 20" barrel, and it definitely made it louder for everyone else. I ended up removing the brake. Now if I have a threaded barrel I tend to just put a birdcage on it as it does protect the crown but doesn't increase the noise. Seems to have no effect on accuracy. I used a linear compensator on a Ruger American Ranch 223, it seemed to help accuracy and maybe helped noise a little bit for shooter and those next to him.
 

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Rude people bringing guns with brakes to an indoor range is why I no longer go to them.
Having my hat blown off my head by the person two stalls down makes for an unenjoyable range trip.
I experimented with a few but took them off for this very reason. Also they made it loud for me as well and I didn't see any real benefit in the rifle caliber I was shooting them on.
 

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I have always thought that if you think you need a brake, you probably have too much gun for you to use. Get a smaller caliber.
 

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Aahhhh. The good 'ol muzzle brake discussion. Well I might as well get my 2 cents in before the thread turns ugly and one of us mods has to shut it down.

1. Not sure why having a muzzle brake is 'rude'. How loud is so loud that it becomes rude? Where's the line in the sand? See, that's the problem. One person's loud is somebody else's normal. My 475 Linebaugh doesn't have a brake yet the noise and concussion are pretty impressive. Same with my 375H&H. Are they ok? I guarantee you they're both louder and more impressive than a braked 308. How about an unbraked 50BMG? Yea or nay?

2. Guns are loud. In most cases dangerously loud. Repeated exposure will absolutely result in hearing damage. As Mark204 said, your hearing is your responsibility. Not mine. Don't like loud noises? Don't go to a shooting range. If you do go wear adequate hearing protection. Seems like common sense to me.

3. Off the top of my head I own 2 rifles with muzzle brakes. A 30-06 and a 308. I don't use the brake on either one because the recoil isn't an issue. OTOH, I used to own a 458Win that had a permanently installed Gentry muzzle brake. Frankly, I'm glad it did. I shoot big bore rifles without muzzle brakes but I sure don't mind when they have one.

4. Some shooters (I'm not one of them) have physical limitations that preclude shooting some centerfire rifles. Using a brake allows some of them to shoot when they normally couldn't. A classic example is the bucket list safari a lot of us would like to do. Most of us can't afford it until we're at or near retirement and by that time some folks can't tolerate the bigger calibers necessary for big game unless they use a brake.

5. Last but not least, mind your own business. Don't like brakes, don't use one. I won't tell you what to shoot and I'd appreciate it if you gave me and my fellow shooters the same courtesy.
 

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I have always thought that if you think you need a brake, you probably have too much gun for you to use. Get a smaller caliber.
There was a point in time when I endorsed this statement, but not anymore. I run a brake on my Creedmoor only because it came with it, I would never pay to have one installed though. What I like about it is that It keeps me on target after the shot, it has zero to do with recoil for me. Since my load was developed with the brake on, it stays. Why? Because the billets don’t the same with it off.
 

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Aahhhh. The good 'ol muzzle brake discussion. Well I might as well get my 2 cents in before the thread turns ugly and one of us mods has to shut it down.



1. Not sure why having a muzzle brake is 'rude'. How loud is so loud that it becomes rude? Where's the line in the sand? See, that's the problem. One person's loud is somebody else's normal. My 475 Linebaugh doesn't have a brake yet the noise and concussion are pretty impressive. Same with my 375H&H. Are they ok? I guarantee you they're both louder and more impressive than a braked 308. How about an unbraked 50BMG? Yea or nay?



2. Guns are loud. In most cases dangerously loud. Repeated exposure will absolutely result in hearing damage. As Mark204 said, your hearing is your responsibility. Not mine. Don't like loud noises? Don't go to a shooting range. If you do go wear adequate hearing protection. Seems like common sense to me.



3. Off the top of my head I own 2 rifles with muzzle brakes. A 30-06 and a 308. I don't use the brake on either one because the recoil isn't an issue. OTOH, I used to own a 458Win that had a permanently installed Gentry muzzle brake. Frankly, I'm glad it did. I shoot big bore rifles without muzzle brakes but I sure don't mind when they have one.



4. Some shooters (I'm not one of them) have physical limitations that preclude shooting some centerfire rifles. Using a brake allows some of them to shoot when they normally couldn't. A classic example is the bucket list safari a lot of us would like to do. Most of us can't afford it until we're at or near retirement and by that time some folks can't tolerate the bigger calibers necessary for big game unless they use a brake.



5. Last but not least, mind your own business. Don't like brakes, don't use one. I won't tell you what to shoot and I'd appreciate it if you gave me and my fellow shooters the same courtesy.
I stopped reading at number 1.
I clearly said blowing my hat off, and did not say a word about loud.
If you bring a long barrel gun to an indoor range the barrel will be a foot into the range/beyond the lane dividers and will blow the gasses into the next two lanes either side. I am not sure what there is that is not understandable about that?

It is the dictionary definition of rude.
 

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A chin strap would help to keep your hat on........problem solved.
 

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Nobody is denying that muzzle brakes increase noise and lateral muzzle blast. The issue is some folks think it's their divine right to determine what's too loud and what's too much blast. Guns are loud. Some guns are louder than others. Guns create muzzle blast. Some create more blast than others. If you don't like what other folks are shooting go shoot someplace else. And before you say it, no, just because you were there first doesn't mean they have to leave to accommodate you. If they're not violating range rules you have no say in what they want to shoot. Just like they have no say in what you shoot.

If it's such a problem take it up with whomever runs the range. Let them decide how to address your concerns. Their range, their rules. If they want to outlaw muzzle brakes I'm fine with that. However, if the range allows muzzle brakes your choices are clear. Put up with them or leave. Easy.

BTW, at my range (my backyard) muzzle brakes are allowed. I don't use one but if my guests have one on their rifle they're more than welcome to use it.
 

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I think they are asinine on almost all guns, short of big 50 cals maybe. But I have a problem with people who can’t manage recoil, and look for crutch solutions. In ATA trap shooting there are people who try to call for a second bird because they claimed they flinched, and those sort of people believe it’s impossible to overcome a flinch. In my thinking, learning and practicing the mental self-discipline of not anticipating the recoil is part of what makes one a marksman or responsible hunter.

Same goes for ported shotgun and handgun barrels. Then you see new shooters, women and kids having to deal with the guy beside them who can’t cowboy up. Not impressive.

Tore a shoulder years ago and figured I was about done with most 30 cal never mind the 45-70. Put a break on the scout .308 and guess who's back on the bench. So is it a huge PITA for the guy next to me, yay your dam right it is so I also have the .223/5.56 scout as to be a good neighbor right up until some loud mouth needs to tell everyone how smart he is. Well then I just park my *** right down next to him and let that thing eat ammo, they always leave.
I would never bring one indoors, crap that's rude even for me.
 

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This is about as bad as the folks that call open carry folks attention seekers. I. E. You should only do as I say crowd.
 

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I always wear industrial grade ear plugs and double up with high quality electronic ear muffs so even a huge muzzle blast from anyone in the next lane over doesn't bother me and because I'm wearing the electronic muffs with the volume turned up I can still hear people talking 50 feet away.

There are a lot of people that only wear ear plugs and they don't even install them fully into their ear. They are usually the ones who complain when you start shooting something like an SBR AR10 that has a muzzle brake.

I do agree it's not my fault they have inadequate ear protection, but the range safety officers at my local range are nice enough to let me take all the empty brass casings from the buckets because I'm a reloader so I kinda don't want to piss anyone off with a loud muzzle brake.
 
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