The mounts I use are Weaver "see through". If I need to shoot close up, I just drop down and use the iron sights... I've trained doing that and it works pretty good for me. The scope and iron sights are set for 257 yard MPBR... ±1.5 inches for a kill zone of 3", which is substantialy less than the 10" kill zone for whitetail deer... you never know when an armadilo, gopher, opposum or Bambi will show up.
What scope mounting system do you use?
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After thinking this over I would recomend against using "See through mounts" for scopes. Most of the time things that are supposed to do many things well don't do anything. The see throughs put the line of sight up too high and make it difficult to get a good cheek weld on the stock. If the scope is mounted and adjusted for your eyes correctly shooting up close shouldn't be a problem.
I've used my 270 to take Rabbits, Coyotes, Javalina, Antelope, White Tail and Mule Deer and Elk. My preference for scopes is either a fixed 4 power or a 2-7X variable set on 3/4. Remember you use a scope to aid shot placement not to look for animals. Binoculars are what to use for glassing for animals not scopes.
Have you ever tried to find the "sweet" spot on a deer 40 feet away, with a scope dialed up at 12X? The field of view would be about 6" at that range. You'd be hard pressed to identify what you were looking at through the scope.
I have trained using the "see-thru" mounts and it works pretty good for me...
I have trained using the "see-thru" mounts and it works pretty good for me...
No I haven't, the only things I shoot with that kind of scope are varmits and Coyotes. My preference for scopes is either a fixed 4 power or a 2-7X variable set on 3/4.quote:Originally posted by RNettles
Have you ever tried to find the "sweet" spot on a deer 40 feet away, with a scope dialed up at 12X? The field of view would be about 6" at that range. You'd be hard pressed to identify what you were looking at through the scope.
I have trained using the "see-thru" mounts and it works pretty good for me...
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Gotta agree with 2400 on this one. I hate see through scope rings. They raise the scope too high! Most of my guns do not have open sights anyway. But, of the ones that do, I still use as low a scope ring as I can get away with. A 4x or 3x9 scope at lowest setting has never gave me any trouble for seeing deer when they are close up.
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I'm with gunman42782 on this one. Finding the target in "see through" rings is about as hard as using too much magnification with a scope. Besides, see throughs are too wimpy for any center fire rifle bigger than a 223 Rem. I like my scope as close to bore line as possible. This minimizes potential problems from recoil, tracks better with trajectory, and keeps the scope at the proper eye level.
Further, I don't use aluminum bases or rings except on a 22. They just won't stay tight. I use Burris or Leupold steel rings and bases on all my centerfires. I only have one rifle with iron sights. It has a Leupold Quick Release steel base and rings. Should I need open sights, the scope will pop of in seconds and will return to perfect zero when reinstalled.
Further, I don't use aluminum bases or rings except on a 22. They just won't stay tight. I use Burris or Leupold steel rings and bases on all my centerfires. I only have one rifle with iron sights. It has a Leupold Quick Release steel base and rings. Should I need open sights, the scope will pop of in seconds and will return to perfect zero when reinstalled.
Well now... You guys have me thinking... Maybe I need to look into getting a different scope mounting system... I have always used "see-thru", but now I am wondering if the lower heighth would be better, as has been pointed out.
What types and what manufacturer do you guys have?
What types and what manufacturer do you guys have?
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What types and what manufacturer do you guys have?
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All my rifles are Rugers, so they have the Ruger integral mounts and Ruger rings.
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All my rifles are Rugers, so they have the Ruger integral mounts and Ruger rings.
i use burris zee rings on anything important and keep them scope as low as possible.
for deer i use 3x9 or open sights, all my shots will be under 100 yards where im hunting, three are a few shots that could be 150 yards but thats in very limited areas anything past that has no safe backstop or visability
for deer i use 3x9 or open sights, all my shots will be under 100 yards where im hunting, three are a few shots that could be 150 yards but thats in very limited areas anything past that has no safe backstop or visability
All my Ruger rifles have the intergral mounts. I still have some Weaver mounts and rings and a couple of sets of Redfield's on a few rifles. On any new rifle or any scope/mount/ring replacement I'm switching over to Leupold. I go with the lowest ring/mount combo I can.
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RNettles, Burris, Leupold, Redfield, and M.P Buhler are all interchangable and use the same exact rings. The most sturdy mount is a dual dovetail, available from Burris or Leupold.
If you end up buying a new Ruger 77, it will come with one of the best mounting systems on the market. The 77 uses a mount similar to SAKO and is famous for being strong. 77s come with a set of medium rings that might be too short for that garbonzo 4-12X scope you have. You can exchange them for a high set if need be. Note: rings for a 77 are a bit strange because the mount uses a shorter ring in the back and a longer one in the front due to the receiver design. For low you use one low ring and one medium. For medium height, you use a medium and a high. For high, you use a high and an extra high. Sounds confusing until you see the system. The rings for a Super Redhawk revolver are identical.
If you end up buying a new Ruger 77, it will come with one of the best mounting systems on the market. The 77 uses a mount similar to SAKO and is famous for being strong. 77s come with a set of medium rings that might be too short for that garbonzo 4-12X scope you have. You can exchange them for a high set if need be. Note: rings for a 77 are a bit strange because the mount uses a shorter ring in the back and a longer one in the front due to the receiver design. For low you use one low ring and one medium. For medium height, you use a medium and a high. For high, you use a high and an extra high. Sounds confusing until you see the system. The rings for a Super Redhawk revolver are identical.
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I have two Ruger center fire rifles and two rimfires. On my Ruger 77 .30-06 I use the Ruger mounts that twist into the dovetail. On my Ruger #3 in .223 I use Weaver bases and the old fashion Weaver rings. On one 10/22, I use a Weaver base and the same, old style rings.
All my Ruger rifles have the intergral mounts. I still have some Weaver mounts and rings and a couple of sets of Redfield's on a few rifles. On any new rifle or any scope/mount/ring replacement I'm switching over to Leupold. I go with the lowest ring/mount combo I can.
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Yup, me too!
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Yup, me too!
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On my Ruger 10/22 I'm Using a Center Point brand scope that has a 30mm tube and since there aren't a whole lot of quality made ring systems for that type of scope, I went with Leupold QRW rings and a Weaver mount. This combination may not be the lightest but it is the strongest and most solid (I know I know, it's only a 10/22)of any setup I have found. They are also a quick detacable system. They are far from the cheapest rings around but they are also not the most expensive I could have gotten. The combination has worked really well for me.
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I personally wouldn't use See Thru's. The aluminum extrusion isn't strong enough. The slightest bump will knock them out of whack.I had a gunsmith buddy that had a wall full of the See Thru's he had taken off customers guns.Years ago I remember they had "Flip Overs" which I haven't seen in years,probably are no longer made.What they did was use a mount that had a swing joint at the scope rings.If you needed open sights you just flipped the scope over out of the way. You just had to make sure it was snapped in position before making your shot. Before the Ruger intergral rings all I would use were Redfield's Rings and mounts.Here in recent years I tried Millets and have been satisfied with them.
I have tried see-thru rings and they were just not comfortable and made accurate scope shooting more difficult for me. I'd put the shoe on the other foot and give the millett a try.
Don't own a set of these, but if i was a scope hunter and worried something was going to step out close at 40 feet, i might be tempted to give these a try:
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fixed or adj sights on top of the scope rings. Figure i'd be using the scope 99% of the time so i'll keep the scope low mounted for better control and accuracy, these sights on top of the rings should take care of the other "too close for a scope" shots and good enough for those really, really close shots. Would keep things more compact and an overall much lower profile than see-thru rings.---made by millett.
Don't own a set of these, but if i was a scope hunter and worried something was going to step out close at 40 feet, i might be tempted to give these a try:
fixed or adj sights on top of the scope rings. Figure i'd be using the scope 99% of the time so i'll keep the scope low mounted for better control and accuracy, these sights on top of the rings should take care of the other "too close for a scope" shots and good enough for those really, really close shots. Would keep things more compact and an overall much lower profile than see-thru rings.---made by millett.
I use Leupold steel rings and bases, sometimes a Leupold one piece steel base. My 3 Winchester 30.30s all have XS ghost ring sights on them, as my eyes ain't what they used to be, and stock iron sights wre more like taking a lucky guess and throwing a round in the general direction of the intended target. I highly endorse the ghost ring sights for replacing iron sights, especially on the Winchester top eject models. And them new Hornady Leverevolution rounds are spot on at 250 yards. They claim that you can reach out and touch your target to 300 yards no problem, but I haven't tried that distance. Not a shot I would try to make on game. 200 yards with open sights would be pushing it for me...
Peace and God bless, Wolfsong.
Peace and God bless, Wolfsong.
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weaver mostly if not Ruger , No one can beat Ruger rings. I do have a redfield on a Mod 70. Had to do that as the holes in the action were of set the barrel pointed one way and the scope andother way was easy to see it I was sick but the redfields have windage ajustment. They did save the day. No I wouldn't buy anothe winchester.
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