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Why does good hp self defense ammo tend to come packaged in 20 round boxes?

Seems like kind of a useless number to me. Glock 19 standard magazines hold 15. Most semi auto 9mm guns tend to hold 15-17 shots.

A box of 20 fills one magazine with 3-5 left over. Two boxes fills two mags with 6-10 extras. Around half a magazine. 50 round boxes of jhp's make a lot more sense. One box is good for 3 mags.

I suppose if you buy a box of hp you could shoot afew practice rounds and then load up a full mag for defense...
 

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Probably because a box of fifty would appear to be very, very expensive to purchase compared to range ammo.
 

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It actually works out quite nicely in places that limit (by law) the capacity of magazines to 10 rounds.
Yea, but thats the VAST minority of states.
 

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Yea, but thats the VAST minority of states.
But that minority includes states with gigantic populations, like Kalifornia.

I'd assume the reason for 20 rounds is an issue of price.

Guess you'll have to buy a 9mm Springfield XD with full-size grip that holds 19+1 to use a full box. This is much the same problem as hot dogs sold in packs that don't correspond to the 8-packs of buns.
 

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Probably because a box of fifty would appear to be very, very expensive to purchase compared to range ammo.
Agreed. Lots of SD boxes of 20 cost around the same as boxes of 50 for FMJ. I think it's to make it seem like they're similar in price.
 

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I always thought it was the old hot dog to bun equation. They want you to have to buy more boxes.
 

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I have no factual basis for this. Ammo has come in a 20rd. box as long as I can remember, rifle and pistol. Making it simple to carry in your pocket while hunting.
 

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I have no factual basis for this. Ammo has come in a 20rd. box as long as I can remember, rifle and pistol. Making it simple to carry in your pocket while hunting.
Now that makes a lot of sense. Years ago, about the only size .22lr packages I ever saw were the little 50 round boxes. They certainly are easy to carry around in a pocket. Not only that, but that's way more than is needed for a day of hunting.
 

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With the insane price for some self-defense rounds, manufacturers have to use every trick in the book to make that price on the box a little easier to swallow.
 

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With the insane price for some self-defense rounds, manufacturers have to use every trick in the book to make that price on the box a little easier to swallow.
Agree, it's marketing tricks their doing it with some reloading bullets now also giving you 50 instead of 100, to try to fool customers into thinking their not paying more, even with food same price smaller box, noticed with Coke the new case is now 20 cans not 24 at the same price.
 

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Albert Einstien himself couldn't equate the hot dog to bun ratio equation??:confused: This is a real tough one! One post mentioned the difference in mag capacities and plus the price to look cheaper, I think we've mastered the "string theory" of SD rounds? Good work fellow physicists! Now let's work on the national debt or why we still use pennies?:D
Take care and get back to the drawing board,
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1 of the most popular brands, Hornady CD, comes in 25 round boxes for the smaller rounds(.380, 9mm, 38 special & .357).
 

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I just looked and I have a box of "oddballs", leftovers from three different types of SD rounds. I need to go kill a target and use 'em up. :) Well maybe mix 'n match a mag for SD? Naw! I don't like that either.
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Winchesters "Ranger" branded SD ammunition come in boxes of 50. They're not the best SD ammo out there but they are a more inexpensive alternative to punch paper with, they're also a far cry from the garbage WWB. I found the Ranger's point of impact to be reasonably the same as most other brands of HP SD ammunition. I use Hornady Critical Duty in most of my carry guns and any new guns I get always get 5 various boxes of SD ammunition run through them to be certain of their reliability, preference and point of impact. The "20 per box thing" is simple marketing strategy, they know you're going to run a few boxes before trusting anything so they sell half the amount for the same price to get double the revenue. For this reason I always add $150 to the purchase price of any carry guns I buy and get the SD ammo when I pick up the gun.
 

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I'm finding the same issue with 44 magnum ammunition. The darn stuff costs so much, they're embarrassed to put 50 in a box and then ask for your arm. This way they only put 20 in a box and just ask for a couple of fingers. Smithy.
 

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Federal HST and Hydra-Shok, Speer, Ranger T and others are available in more economical 50 round boxes if you know where to look. Cheaper Than Dirt, Ammo To Go and M.A.H. Supplies are some that I use.
 

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This is much the same problem as hot dogs sold in packs that don't correspond to the 8-packs of buns.
Now that is something that has made me sigh for a long time.

As for a box of 20 rounds, works out perfectly for my 10 round commiefornia mags. But my 45acp rarely works out perfectly as an 8 shot, nor does my 6 shot revolver... can't expect the ammo boxes to have a count that is a perfect multiple of all guns capacity.
 
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