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So much wrong with this. First, what are the rules of safe gun handling? Anyone? Second, why is an instructor doing a "trigger pull test?" Seems to me that the better way would have been to actually check the chamber. I dont pull the trigger to see if any of my guns are loaded. I could go on, but to what point? I have a feeling someone is not going to be asked to teach any more classes at the Sheriff's Department.

Also, I have to say it. What about the student? Yes tragic he/she got shot. But, what was the situation that lent itself to the student handing a loaded gun to a teacher for a trigger pull test? Not being in the class, perhaps that student is not quite ready for concealed carry. Needs a few more hours of gun instruction and range time.
 

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This incident has been discussed on a number of forums in the last few weeks.

Yes, it is an example of deplorable negligence.

It sounds as if the student was asked to unload the weapon and did not. But the student is the student, and the instructor is supposed to be knowledgeable enough to identify and circumvent the student's errors.

I would never hand a pistol to another person unless I had cleared the weapon by removing the magazine and clearing the chamber first, and locking the slide back so that the ejection port was visible. When I allow someone else to shoot one of my pistols, I will sometimes lay the loaded weapon on the bench with or without a round chambered, making it clear what the status of the weapon is (magazine loaded, round chambered or not, safety engaged (if present), etc).

If someone hands me a pistol, I will first clear it and lock the slide back, unless I have observed them loading it for me to shoot.

I have a hard time imagining an "instructor" accepting a pistol with the slide closed and pulling the trigger without checking to make sure it is clear, let alone pulling the trigger with the muzzle pointed in an unsafe direction. I would have to consider both the trainer and the Sheriff's Department to be liable for any injuries in this case.
 

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Not being in the class, perhaps that student is not quite ready for concealed carry. Needs a few more hours of gun instruction and range time.
Or perhaps the instructors weren’t quite up for the job at hand............I’m just saying. We’ll never know either way, it’ll get buried.
 

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I noticed that the article referred to this as an "accidental discharge". Is there really any such thing as an accidental discharge? Shouldn't any un-wanted discharge be considered a negligent discharge? Just wondering.
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I noticed that the article referred to this as an "accidental discharge". Is there really any such thing as an accidental discharge? Shouldn't any un-wanted discharge be considered a negligent discharge? Just wondering.
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There’s really no such thing as an accidental anything. 99.99 percent of so called "accidents" are actually due to some human's negligence.
 

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There’s really no such thing as an accidental anything on the range. Especially in a class. Negligence is negligence...
 

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There’s really no such thing as an accidental anything on the range. Especially in a class. Negligence is negligence...
Ok help me out here, about 4 years ago I was at the range with my SP1. I loaded up five and pulled the trigger, one shot went off, pulled the trigger a second time and the remaining four went down the tube as In full auto. I never experienced a single issue with the FCG prior to this. I ended up replaced the FCG......problem solved.

So, was this an accidental discharge or was it negligence on my part? Based on your opening sentence I’m guessing I was negligent??
 

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Ok help me out here, about 4 years ago I was at the range with my SP1. I loaded up five and pulled the trigger, one shot went off, pulled the trigger a second time and the remaining four went down the tube as In full auto. I never experienced a single issue with the FCG prior to this. I ended up replaced the FCG......problem solved.

So, was this an accidental discharge or was it negligence on my part? Based on your opening sentence I’m guessing I was negligent??
I would call that any accidental discharge due to a malfunction. A auto pistol slam fire (which I have never seen) would be similar. I would not say that you were negligent.

Unless, of course you dropped the carbine and it killed four other people next to you.
 

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During the inspection, the range staff member — a civilian instructor the department did not identify — administered a "trigger pull test" and shot the student in the leg. Range staff initially treated the injured man.
Well, the gun worked as designed; ya pull the trigger and it goes bang. However the instructor could use some work.
Maybe someone could shine a light into his ear; to see if his brains are still inside of his head. Now, there's a test that seems needed.
 

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Ok help me out here, about 4 years ago I was at the range with my SP1. I loaded up five and pulled the trigger, one shot went off, pulled the trigger a second time and the remaining four went down the tube as In full auto. I never experienced a single issue with the FCG prior to this. I ended up replaced the FCG......problem solved.

So, was this an accidental discharge or was it negligence on my part? Based on your opening sentence I’m guessing I was negligent??
You never mentioned how many rounds had been fired before this (could have been a hang fire from heat after being extensively shot), the last time you fully cleaned the weapon and inspected parts as you cleaned and re-assembled them or how old and used the weapon was.
 

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That instructor is not an instructor if he's pulling/pressing/squeezing a trigger with the muzzle pointed anywhere but downrange. Absolutely no excuse can justify it.
 

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You never mentioned how many rounds had been fired before this (could have been a hang fire from heat after being extensively shot), the last time you fully cleaned the weapon and inspected parts as you cleaned and re-assembled them or how old and used the weapon was.
Sorry I’m late in responding Maddmax, I guess this thread slipped by me.

Ok, how many rounds fired that day? This was the first group of five.

How clean was it? Hmmm, probably 100 rounds down the tube prior to that day. As far as cleaning the FCG it’s not something I break down, nor do I know anyone personally who does.

How old is it? It was made in ‘74.

The fix was a new FCG, my suspicions pointed to the disconnector but parts being as cheap as they are everything went. Prior to reassembly I over-layer the old /new parts, you’d be hard pressed to see any discernible difference between any of the parts that make up the FCG with the naked eye.

My point is not everything that happens at the range is neglect.......sometimes things happen that our out of our control regardless of what you do.
 
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