Deputy, thanks for the info ! I had a P-11 for quite a few years and loved the little thing, I shouldn't of sold it. I think I may be buying a few more from KelTec, their customer service and product loyalty is one of the best I've ever seen. I am a Glock man, but am running out of Glocks to buy, as I have every model they make and several duplicates of each. Well except for the G18, G25 and G28 because the first is a full auto version and not legal in WA state at this time and the G25 and G28 are not importable to the US for some reason that Glock won't talk about. I really have no problem with a new pistol having some issue's as long as the manufacturer stands behind their product. Have you guys shot any of their AR type pistols ? I was looking at them and wanted some feed back before buying or deciding to buy one. Thanks for all the help gentlemen and sorry if I seemed a little defensive, I have been to a couple forums(not this one or FN) that like to bag on and degrade new recruits, they even told my buddy he was a lier because he has so many expensive guns and he is only 31 ? I didn't really understand that, but I am glad to see you guys are just like me and willing ti share any info they have ! Agin, thank you !