Ruger Forum banner

Your CCW had a malfunction... what do you do to regain trust?

1202 Views 58 Replies 42 Participants Last post by  Angry Hippo
Hopefully as armed citizens we're all practicing regularly with our carry weapons.

Suppose you're at the range using self defense ammo... and you get a failure to extract, or maybe a stove pipe.. or maybe the gun double feeds - WHATEVER - but the bang button didn't make the gun go bang.

What is your policy/procedure for gaining trust and in the weapon? Do you have a certain number of rounds that must run clean before you'd put it back into service? At what point would the frequency of a malfunction cause you to shelve a gun and tag it out of service?
  • Like
Reactions: 3
1 - 20 of 59 Posts
In any case the gun will have had a fresh clean and lube. So I'd examine the gun carefully for anything out of place or broken. Study the operation with a snap cap or fired brass. On rimfire, look at the FP strikes. Then try a different ammo. Even your usual could be a box from a bad lot. With a semi-auto feed issue, try different magazines and take notes as to how each one did.

Putting a new buy into service my standard is cheap, 50 rounds without an issue, discounting good rimfire hits that don't fire. If I have to sort out magazines it takes a few more. If a mag does okay with two loadings, I trust it.

I have three Zastavas with 12 mags so that was four boxes divided up three ways, two different brands. I had one extractor that still had some cosmoline I missed. One rough follower.

Two Guardians with eight mags took two boxes, all good.
  • Like
Reactions: 3
If I have a failure to extract out of my .44 Special Bulldog ... There is 'really' something wrong.
  • Haha
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: 5
What if the gun fires perfectly as far as I know but it doesn't manually eject a round?
Sorry couldn't help it
  • Haha
  • Like
Reactions: 5
A single failure on the range would not me lose trust in the gun. It would make me test the gun’s performance with the ammo I EDC. If no failure in 20 successive rounds, then it is as safe to carry as any other randomly selected gun. Any gun can malfunction, and it is not always the gun’s fault. I had one failure with my security 9 Compact over two years of shooting it. It was a stovepipe. Cause? I limp writes the gun. Never had a subsequent problem. Ammo can be the culprit too. Don’t assume the gun did it.
  • Like
Reactions: 5
What if the gun fires perfectly as far as I know but it doesn't manually eject a round?
Sorry couldn't help it
Good point! What's your answer?
Trust is gained through experiance. You just shoot your chosen gun over and over again to practice with it. I have guns that have been flawless at the range. I poked fun at a fellow forum member but he brought up a good point. You don't obsess with the possibility of a failure but you should plan for it. Everybody has a plan until something goes wrong then you don't. Any mechanical device can fail and eventually will. You may not reach thae breaking point but it's out there. Bad ammo or adverse conditions like stress can induce a failure. Test your gun under ideal conditions but try to practice under and for less than ideal conditions.
  • Like
Reactions: 5
To regain trust takes finding out why it failed. Bad ammo, bad grip, poor maintenance, or whatever. Then find good ammo, run a box or two through it to assure it works well.
  • Like
Reactions: 5
I do nothing special.
Anything built by humans is subject to a failure at any time.

I've had my CCW 15+yrs and never a failure (yet),
so, if I was to have one, I would l clear it and continue to shoot.
If it repeats, then I would go looking for the issue, if it does not repeat, I would have no further concerns.

ETA: I would not lose confidence in my ccw because one failure.
  • Like
Reactions: 5
Determine if it is an ammo issue or a gun issue. Fix it if it is a gun issue. If it is out of service, I use another gun of the same type for carry. I have multiple 1911s and revolvers for concealed carry.
  • Like
Reactions: 3
This is why I carry a revolver ...
  • Like
  • Haha
  • Love
Reactions: 5
I've carried S&W revolvers exclusively for over 30 years ... Js, Ks, Ls, Ns, 38, 357, 44 Sp ... and owned/collected close to 100 during that time, mostly pre-lock models. Of the few failures I experienced, two were due to Internal Locks, of which I will never own another. The remainder were due to my oversight, and had nothing to do with the revolver. One that will always be a memorable moment was a Model 60 cylinder/yoke assembly coming apart in my hand during a reload at the range. I had neglected to check and tighten the screw and ended up with a handful of parts at a critical moment. Lesson learned and error never repeated. A wheelgun can fail, just not as often as a semi.
  • Like
  • Wow
Reactions: 5
1st I ask what I did wrong.
2nd I prove what I think was the cause
3rd i prove it both by making it happen again and
4th test till sickness the solution.

Guns "do" 2 things. Function or Fail.
Humanitity does all kinds of silly things
(Was afraid to spell ad naussium)
  • Like
Reactions: 5
Anything mechanical can fail. The main difference I see between revolvers and semi auto's is that there are three things a semi auto can fail at that are not the result of a part failure. A semi auto can fail to feed, fail to fire, or fail to eject. Not because there is anything wrong with the gun necessarily. It's just something that can happen with semi's even when the gun is working properly (although failure to fire is more likely due to the ammo then the pistol). As long as a revolver is functioning correctly it won't fail to feed or eject. If it fails to fire you just pull the trigger again.
  • Like
Reactions: 5
The only answer is that any gun that has any kind of hiccup, regardless how minimal, can never be trusted again. In fact, the only way to handle such a gun is to sacrifice it up as a burnt offering. After all, no shooter of any integrity could ever let a gun of such questionable perigee get into the hands of a fellow shooter.
Oh, wait, I forgot I am not a tactical ninja. As pointed out, anything mechanical can fail, and if you are practicing with your carry gun like you should, things wear out. Big thing is, as mentioned above, understanding exactly what happened. Once that is understood, things go from there.
Here is one example of what is a commonly overlooked issue, and that is carry ammo. I get that carry ammo is expensive, but I have seen people at the range who carry the same magazine’s worth for years. You know the drill, unload gun, load up practice rounds, reload carry rounds after practice, etc. well, after a long time of doing this, they decide they better shoot their carry loads and have some kind of issue.
See less See more
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: 5
I'd switch to my SP101.
  • Like
Reactions: 5
Usually I would stop shooting, shoot something else I brought with me. Take it apart when i get home clean up and inspect then back to the range and shoot the crap out of it. If it works, no issue. If it doesn't then back to mothership.
  • Like
Reactions: 2
If my car breaks down, my first drive back from the mechanic isn't going to be an out of state road trip. I'd usually like to see that the problem is fixed and the car has at least some record of running smoothly. If a car becomes too problematic or repeatedly breaks down, I sell it. I guess that makes me a 'tactical auto-driver' 🤷‍♂️ ;)

In the same vein, if I experience a pistol malfunction my process is a little more thorough than to shoot one more round and declare "I guess it works!".

I'd need a bit more in order to feel confident I can defend myself from evil. Generally I'd like to see the gun run at least a box of FMJ and then perhaps a couple magazines of whatever I'm using for self defense without any more hiccups.

@brnwlms mentioned finding out the problem and then 'things go from there'. Can you (or anyone else, of course) tell me more about your 'things go from there' process? Suppose you replace a part? How much testing might that new part need before you're satisfied it's set to go? Are there any parts that you feel would need or warrant more thorough testing than others?



Me, personally, I retire a gun from self defense consideration when testing and verifying it's reliability becomes more expensive than buying a new gun that just works. Only guns that really fall into this category are my Taurus TCP and Beretta Bobcat. Those would never find their way back into my holster. Unsurprisingly, these are both micro pistols known for being a bit sensitive. For me, it wasn't a weird sacrificial ritual - just economic considerations.
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 3
If I find a definite problem, I repair it, test it, and all is well.

My best friend had a G23 he’d carried every day for 15 years and ran THOUSANDS of rounds through. It started jamming, failing to extract. He didn‘t trust it anymore and gave it to me. It had a broken extractor, weak recoil spring, and weak mag springs. I replaced all that and I’ve run several hundred rounds through it since with no malfunctions. I offered to give it back, but he said he just couldn’t trust it. I trust it.
  • Like
Reactions: 5
@Angry Hippo, go from there involves knowing your gun. For instance, I carry a 1911 every day, and it gets shot at least once a week. What are some known problem areas with the 1911? A common one is the extractor. Have a malfunction, pull the slide off. Grab an empty case and test the extractor. Not right, pull it out and run a .22 rod through the extractor channel. Get a big ball of gunk, yea, probably figured it out. Replace extractor, test tension, maybe tune it a bit assuming the extractor still looks good. Run a box or two through and should be good to go. A big part of the process is knowing your gun and it’s likely problem areas, and each gun has one. If a gun’s been running great and has a problem, it’s probably some thing simple and once you figure it out, if it even is the gun, it’s not worth wearing the gun out trying to prove to yourself that a gun is reliable.
  • Like
  • Helpful
Reactions: 5
1 - 20 of 59 Posts
Top