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Your CCW had a malfunction... what do you do to regain trust?

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Hopefully as armed citizens we're all practicing regularly with our carry weapons.

Suppose you're at the range using self defense ammo... and you get a failure to extract, or maybe a stove pipe.. or maybe the gun double feeds - WHATEVER - but the bang button didn't make the gun go bang.

What is your policy/procedure for gaining trust and in the weapon? Do you have a certain number of rounds that must run clean before you'd put it back into service? At what point would the frequency of a malfunction cause you to shelve a gun and tag it out of service?
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Like most “trust issues”, it depends on what sort of relationship we had prior to the malfunctions.

If this was a long-time companion that had served me well without malfunctions in the past, I’d probably consider the ammunition (is it a bad lot? Is this a new type of ammo that may not be compatible?) and also give the gun a careful tear-down and inspection, looking for tired springs, bent or broken extractor, damaged magazine, etc.

If this was a new relationship - or a brief “fling” - then I might do all of the above, but I would also be asking myself if this relationship was going to work out in the long run.

As for frequency of malfunctions… I expect an occasional feed jam or stove-pipe in a semi-auto pistol. When I shoot speed steel, with a minimum of 250 rounds in a day (usually more like 400), I expect one or two failures (usually because my off-side thumb gets lazy and rubs against the slide). More than that and I start to question the ammunition or the pistol.

Once I identify the problem and correct it, I’ll want to run 50 rounds or more through it to make sure the “fix” worked and didn’t make the problem worse. I do the same if I change out a spring or other part, just to make sure everything is functioning properly.

I once had a gunsmith install a new trigger with over-travel screw in my 1911 and it dry-fired perfectly. When I took it to the range, the hammer dropped but the rounds wouldn’t fire because the trigger, with the screw adjusted to take up almost all the over-travel, didn’t move far enough to lift the firing pin block in the Colt 1911 series 80. Lesson learned…
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Being new to the CCW community but having been shooting over 75 years I am curious as to how many malfunctions you/we worry about. I have had 1 centerfire FTF and no mechanical malfunctions with metallic ammunition, a hand loaded rifle cartridge with a bad primer, and but a few with shotgun ammunition in addition to hundreds of military round while in the Army with no issues. I am by no means making light of this is it something relatively new? As i said I am seriously curious.
I may be naïve but I have always had trust in my equipment whether during a high angle rescue or into a burning building or on a steep slope fighting a fire with my bulldozer.
You are correct, but the chances of failure with a wheelgun is a very small percentage of a semi malfunction, no?
Agreed. But then the failure rate of a clean well maintained semi is very small as well. There is more that can go wrong with a semi to be sure. Just a matter of more moving parts.
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I own a Glock. I’ll let you know if it ever fails.
You own a Glock? There's your failure right there.
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I don't own any pistols.
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Hopefully as armed citizens we're all practicing regularly with our carry weapons.

Suppose you're at the range using self defense ammo... and you get a failure to extract, or maybe a stove pipe.. or maybe the gun double feeds - WHATEVER - but the bang button didn't make the gun go bang.

What is your policy/procedure for gaining trust and in the weapon? Do you have a certain number of rounds that must run clean before you'd put it back into service? At what point would the frequency of a malfunction cause you to shelve a gun and tag it out of service?
As my old indian friend once said" they's 2 kinds of auto pistols, them that jammed and them that's gonna jam." We don't know when.
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A semi-auto is dependent on properly functioning ammo. That may be the biggest failure point difference between a semi-auto and revolver. Every round must function consecutively. The round after is dependent on the round before for a semi-auto to function properly. Any ammo failure will use the gun to cease functioning but in a revolver most ammo fails can be bypassed by just pulling the trigger again introducing a new cartridge.
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Been there ... I traded the semi-auto's in on Revolvers !
They always go Bang ! Heck , they don't even have a safety to worry about taking off .
If I'm betting my life on a semi-auto ... it has to be a 1911 45 acp ... they have a good track record with me.
Gary
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Revolvers aren't fool proof.

642 - ejector came loose. Forgot how the malfunction manifested itself but the gun didn't work!

Gp100 - not quite sure what happened, but the cylinder got locked up pretty good once. Might have had grit or something stuck in the action, but the thing didn't work.

929 - just all around crappy. "Jerry Miculek" version either gives light primer strikes or pierces the primers (sometimes in the same cylinder!)

SP101 - rear sight worked its way loose - that's not really a malfunction, but it wasn't great. Too many 125 grain zoomers. :)
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Revolvers aren't fool proof.

642 - ejector came loose. Forgot how the malfunction manifested itself but the gun didn't work!

Gp100 - not quite sure what happened, but the cylinder got locked up pretty good once. Might have had grit or something stuck in the action, but the thing didn't work.

929 - just all around crappy. "Jerry Miculek" version either gives light primer strikes or pierces the primers (sometimes in the same cylinder!)

SP101 - rear sight worked its way loose - that's not really a malfunction, but it wasn't great. Too many 125 grain zoomers. :)
Ain't nothing in this world Fool Proof !
A fool can outwit the best mecanical device when he puts his mind to it .
None of my revolvers nor my assortment of 1911's in 45 acp have ever let me down in time of need ... but that's only my experience .
Gary
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A semi-auto is dependent on properly functioning ammo. That may be the biggest failure point difference between a semi-auto and revolver. Every round must function consecutively. The round after is dependent on the round before for a semi-auto to function properly. Any ammo failure will use the gun to cease functioning but in a revolver most ammo fails can be bypassed by just pulling the trigger again introducing a new cartridge.
Not when a primer backs out and locks up the cylinder. Now I keep a cleaning rod in my range tool box. It was a factory round. Also had a bullet jump the crimp and lock up the cylinder. Also factory round. These were magnum loads. I had a S&W 638 lock itself up. Could not open the cylinder so it had to go to the gunsmith. Can't ship a loaded gun.
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All kidding aside, I have semis and revolvers. I have semis that haven't malfunctioned yet. I have revolvers that have not malfunctioned and probably won"t altho a bad round of ammo can throw either out of the fight. BUT, a revolver does not have a magazine to fall out or the bottom of a magazine fall out on a reload. A safety to engage at the wrong time. There is just more to go wrong with a semi. Shoot competition for a while with both and see what can happen. The revolver won't hold 17 rounds of ammo if that's your thing. (I did have Wilson modify the 92FS so it's a decocker only now).
I carry a revolver not because they never malfunction but because they tend to fail predictably.

If a dirty gun? Crud under extractor star can jam it up. Had that happen, but it was with reloads.

Broken firing pin? Replaced my titanium one with steel.

Dud rounds? Pull trigger again. Never carried reloads and never had a problem yet with Hornady, my carry rounds.

If I cannot get away from trouble with six rounds, I am dead. I just cannot worry about every little thing.
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You need a New York reload. :rolleyes: I had a spec of dirt get under the star when I was reloading. Cylinder would not close. It was at the range and I had run quite a few rounds. I frequently carry a revolver because I am old and a confrontation will more likely be up close and personal. Revolvers don't go out of battery. Also being old I don't handle the recoil of heavy rounds in ultra light guns. I carry 148 grain hollow base lead wadcutters in my LCR. Very mild and under rated round.
What do we do when our car fails, say the brake doesn't work? We fix it, test, and drive it like nothing has happened. Same as problem with planes if you want to make it more life-and-death.

Everything fails as time goes by. Getting a new one is nothing wrong, if you can afford it. Probably it is the best option if you can't get the anxiety out of your mind.

Woodworkers have a saying. If you don't trust a table saw, don't use it. Sooner or later it will take your fingers. I guess same principle applies here.

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Spring problem? That sounds manageable, except- Springs in a CCW handgun should be changed ahead of projected problems. One hundred percent reliability means regularly scheduled preventative maintenance. If you want reliability, replace springs ahead of (how long should it last) time. Springs are not expensive. Reliability is paramount.

Other parts failure or not reliable in a CCW handgun? Now, you've opened a can of worms.
Clean it.
Oil it.
Go back to shooting.
This stuff isn't rocket science.
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