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2.5 vs 7.5 on 454

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#1 ·
I love my GP100 357 and really love to feel a recoil. So thinking how to step up and dreaming about 454 Casull. (Unfortunately I shot just 44 magnum, but any way. Nobody in the vicinity has 454 lol).
Two of 454 are available: 2.5 barrel Super RedHawk Alaskan and 7.5 barrel Super RedHawk. The price is the same.
Any idea which one to choose?
(Remark: I'm not hunter. I just hike a lot by myself remotely in Alaska and spend time in the shooting range.)
Thank you guys in advance for your opinions and advices!
 
#3 ·
Well I have the alaskan 2.5 in 454 casull. It's a hot round, twice easily what my 357 mag gp100 4.2" is. The shorter barrel is easier to carry, versus a longer barrel. You loose velocity with the shorter barrel, but gain compactness. Out of the 357, 44 mag 8" and 50ae eagle I own the 454 is the most recoiling. Only one I have fired that was more was the 8" 500 smith.

So it's not for everybody. It's a very powerful cartridge, and is kinda expensive for a range gun, unless you reload. I've found that the 45 colt which you can also use allows you to load light 45 colt for range plinking.

I love mine, but it's not for everyone.
 
#5 ·
Well I have the alaskan 2.5 in 454 casull. It's a hot round, twice easily what my 357 mag gp100 4.2" is. The shorter barrel is easier to carry, versus a longer barrel. You loose velocity with the shorter barrel, but gain compactness. Out of the 357, 44 mag 8" and 50ae eagle I own the 454 is the most recoiling.
So it's not for everybody. It's a very powerful cartridge, and is kinda expensive for a range gun, unless you reload. I've found that the 45 colt which you can also use allows you to load light 45 colt for range plinking.
Yes, I also have 357 mag gp100 4.2". My main concern is if the 454's recoil will be too shocking after it... The second concern is the barrel length. I used to handle 4.2 inch. But casull is not available anymore w 4.2 ! Just 2.5 or 7.5... I have never hiked with so long stick!.. Faster deploy versus loosing of velocity and even more recoil...
The 3rd option is just to get more comfortable 44Mag and give up. Lol
Sure I consider the range shooting just for the very initial training, I'm going to reload and also use 45 colt in some situation...
 
#7 ·
If hunting 7.5 yes, for a carry gun, 2.5 is much better.

I hear alot say the longer sight radius comment. I routinely shoot to 100 yards with a pistol, including the 4.2" gp100, and at times I have shot the 454 at that range occassionally. If your trying to shoot small groups yes sight radius can effect that, but for self defense, it's less important, and point.shooting is a far more productive practice.
That's just my humble opinion, but I'm just as accurate with my 8.38" smith 29 in 44 magnum, as i am with my 2.5" alaskan 454 casull. Practice, practice, practice.
 
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#12 ·
Quick jab, Tacky, how deep is that little red toolbox? Many years of big revolvers and I would not consider myself recoil sensitive, I have shot and loved many Ruger only 45 colt (the long one) rounds from my Bisleys.
Through gross oversight my phone doesn't have a breathalyzer so I am the proud owner of a freedom arms in 454. It came with pachmeyer grips that I don't love. This revolver and my 4 inch Smith 29 are just painful to shoot.
It's as much about the gun as it is the cartridge.
 
#20 ·
Quick jab, Tacky, how deep is that little red toolbox? Many years of big revolvers and I would not consider myself recoil sensitive, I have shot and loved many Ruger only 45 colt (the long one) rounds from my Bisleys.
Through gross oversight my phone doesn't have a breathalyzer so I am the proud owner of a freedom arms in 454. It came with pachmeyer grips that I don't love. This revolver and my 4 inch Smith 29 are just painful to shoot.
It's as much about the gun as it is the cartridge.
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#15 ·
Mosquito, just an observation from someone who does not go for super blasts from anymore. Your initial post lead me to believe that you may have found 44Mag as too exciting for your taste. If true, then you might wind up firing one box or less of real 454 ammo.

My Ruger Convertible can handle 45 colt ammo noisier than I'd prefer to carry and more than adequate for a woods walk. But is is your time and your decision and there is not one right answer.

Should you purchase one of the .454s and it does not really suit you for what ever reason. I'd bet that someone nearby would take it off your hands and you could reinvest your experience and money in a different Ruger toy/tool for men.

Keep us posted please.
 
#16 ·
Mosquito, just an observation from someone who does not go for super blasts from anymore. Your initial post lead me to believe that you may have found 44Mag as too exciting for your taste. If true, then you might wind up firing one box or less of real 454 ammo.

My Ruger Convertible can handle 45 colt ammo noisier than I'd prefer to carry and more than adequate for a woods walk. But is is your time and your decision and there is not one right answer.

Should you purchase one of the .454s and it does not really suit you for what ever reason. I'd bet that someone nearby would take it off your hands and you could reinvest your experience and money in a different Ruger toy/tool for men.

Keep us posted please.
Well, you never know… It’s hard to predict.
I definitely want to get more powerful toy than 357. But the initial question was about barrel length - not about caliber!
 
#26 ·
For hiking and range use and not intended to be used for hunting, the 2.5" SRH Alaskan is what I would choose. In fact I have one but it's a .480 Ruger. The 7 1/2" SRH would be somewhat inconvenient for your stated use.
FWIW,
Paul
.480 !!! So rare... Is it discontinued? How can you get ammo? Is it really perfectly balanced cartridge (power-recoil) as I have heard about it?
 
#22 ·
Here are my other big boomers.. DE 50 AE I shoot a 300 grain deep curl in that one, reload.

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Smith 29 Dirty Harry Special. Shoot a 240 deep curl with the bottom charger for 44 mag of h110 in that one.

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I had these hid in the back of the tool box. 🤣
 
#33 ·
The Alaskan in .480 Ruger is no big deal for someone like yourself who is not recoil sensitive.

Check out the Ballistics by the Inch website. The velocity drop is not as much as some believe. Don't remember if they have .454 on the site, but you could look at .44 mag to get a feel for the effect of the shorter barrel.
 
#34 ·
Here are some actual .44 MAGNUM chronograph results. Buffalo Bore and Underwood 305 grain bullets in various barrel lengths.

Buffalo Bore, 305 LBT LFN HC rated 1,325 fps
Underwood, 305 LFNGC Plated (HiTech?) rated 1,325 fps
LabRadar muzzle velocity at 33 deg F
S&W M69 2.75" ===> BB 1,195 fps ===> Under 1,147fps
S&W M69 4.25" ===> BB 1,276 fps ===> Under 1,248 fps
Ruger SRH 7.5" ===> BB 1,395 fps ===> Under 1,315 fps

FWIW,

Paul
 
#36 ·
Here are some actual .44 MAGNUM chronograph results. Buffalo Bore and Underwood 305 grain bullets in various barrel lengths.

Buffalo Bore, 305 LBT LFN HC rated 1,325 fps
Underwood, 305 LFNGC Plated (HiTech?) rated 1,325 fps
LabRadar muzzle velocity at 33 deg F
S&W M69 2.75" ===> BB 1,195 fps ===> Under 1,147fps
S&W M69 4.25" ===> BB 1,276 fps ===> Under 1,248 fps
Ruger SRH 7.5" ===> BB 1,395 fps ===> Under 1,315 fps
FWIW,
Paul
Interesting. Yah, 2.5 looks better overall
 
#46 ·
I meet with some of my friends at the gun club for theme days. We had a 454 Casull day. Friends brought Freedmom Arms single-action revolvers and some short barrel revolvers. We took turns shooting all of them. The consensus was that my 7 1/2" Ruger Super Redhawk was the most pleasant to shoot.
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#50 ·
I meet with some of my friends at the gun club for theme days. We had a 454 Casull day. Friends brought Freedmom Arms single-action revolvers and some short barrel revolvers. We took turns shooting all of them. The consensus was that my 7 1/2" Ruger Super Redhawk was the most pleasant to shoot.
I have the same model and love it.

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#48 ·
I own the Alaskan in 44 mag as well as the Redhawk in same.
The Alaskan is a real pleasure to shoot even with full house loads.
The Redhawk beats the frickin' snot out of my 2nd finger against the trigger guard.

The Super Redhawk is not as handsome as the Redhawk, but it comes with more friendly grips.
If you are bound and determined to go 454, I believe shooting comfort is important.
I also understand the Super Redhawk is an even stouter gun than the Redhawk.