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Pietta 1858 Remington On the way

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I have a Uberti Remington 1858, and I'll concur with the others who've recommended using as it arrives. Those ~141gr lead balls leave the barrel at a good 1000+ FPS with the right loads, and they are very accurate. If you really want some additional reloading speed, just get a couple of extra cylinders to go with it.

When I bought my 1858, I ordered two additional cylinders and just load those the night before the range if I want some extra shots during a session.

Seriously, when you start using it in ots traditional form, you'll be plenty happy with ot as it is. Enjoy your new revolver!
 
Ok. Thanks for the responses.

What will I need (What is the best powder, balls, etc).

I am thinking of getting a conversion - as from what I read Remington was the 1st to offer such a device and paying S&W the royalty.

Thanks all!
You'll need .454" or .457" balls. I have been using .454" balls to great effect.

You'll also need either fffG black powder (good luck--black powder is getting scarce) or Pyrodex P, which I use with great results. You will also need percussion caps. #10 Remington caps seem to be the standard, while #11 CCI caps also work well. You may find that the nipples are a tad too big for one size, while also being a tad too small for the next size bigger, which is the case for mine. If they are a tad too small, you'll need to make sure you have your main spring cranked down well to get solid hits. Otherwise, you'll have to hit your caps twice. If you get caps that are just a tad too big, you'll have to crimp them a little.l

You could also get nipples from Slixsprings, which are sized to perfectly accommodate #11 CCI caps. I got a set for my revolver, and I've been very pleased with them.

You'll also want some Ballistol to neutralize the salts in the fouling residue at the end of your range trips. You can lube the revolver with olive oil, shortening, lard, Frog Lube or any non-petroleum lube. Petroleum-based lubes will cause the fouling to get gummy. I started out using olive oil and use Frog Lube, now.

You can also use some shortening or lard behind the bullets to keep the fouling soft so you don't have to punch the bore every few cylinders. I use some cork disks on top of the powder to keep the lube from touching and contaminating it.

As for chain fires, you don't help anything out by putting grease in front of the balls. As long as you load your powder tidily, without causing it to be "entrained" from the mouth of the cylinder and between the ball and cylinder wall, you won't get any chain fires.

Lastly, caps are hard to get right now. You can get components for primer compound and a punch to make the caps out of aluminum cans from https://22lrreloader.com/products/prime-all-repriming-compound .
 
I've always used .454 ball with my Remington. the .457 ball I used with the ROAs.

On the conversion front. The 'conversion cylinder isn't the same as offered by Remington back in the day. There were modifications to the revolver to make that happen. See here Taylor Remington Conversion replica . That is if you feel you need to be period correct. Just saying :) .
That 8" .44-40 is probably the most accurate (historically) of the lot, and it's in stock, too.
 
I found this while doing research - thought it might be of interest.

survivalistboards.com/threads/1858-remington.212993/

Introduction:

The 1858 Remington black powder revolver, it is a fine pistol, a capable handgun.
The frame is beefier than other black powder revolvers. This pistol also has the useful advantage, of being able to swap out the cylinders quickly, making it faster to reload, it was a favorite among union troops in the civil war used to great effect. Firing a .45 caliber lead round ball weighing approx 140 grains at up to and over 1000 fps, this revolver is still a viable weapon. In reality, it is a useful handgun, a good side arm for hunting, and a good weapon for self defense if need be. The truth is that a soft lead ball does tremendous damage to a living target, having a tendency to crush and flatten. Another advantage of the 1858 Remington are the safety notches between each nipple, allowing you to have the hammer in a safe position and have all 6 chambers loaded, instead of just 5 with the colt. I bought this revolver from Cabela’s and I have been well satisfied with it, for around 200 $ It was money well spent.
Here I will include some information, about safety, and some techniques I have found to be useful.


1858 Remington pistol modifications and techniques:

First I will summarize three problems:

1) cross-firing and chain firing
2) jamming of the cylinder pin
3) roughness of internal parts

Here are the solutions:

1) Proper fitting caps are an absolute must, loose or overly tight caps are nothing but trouble.
Most of the time, chainfires and cross firing are caused by loose fitting caps that back off of the nipple, exposing it to the flame of the adjacent cylinder. Replace with Tresso nipples, use only proper fitting caps, the “pinch” technique is NOT safe. To put this simply if you are having to pinch the caps in order for them to stay on the nipple you are using the WRONG caps! Lube over the ball helps somewhat with fouling, but is not a cure for chain fire as you may have heard elsewhere.

2) The jamming of the cylinder pin is a common failing with the 1858 Remington, the solution is 3 fold. first you polish the cylinder pin, and the cylinder hole it slides in (do not remove metal just polish), use lube "pills" between the wad and ball. (recipe below)

3) Roughness of internal parts is very easily improved by gently stoning the sear surfaces.

Another problem that causes more fouling is over packing the powder, load 40 grains of black powder or triple 7, add the wad and pill and lightly pack it, do not cram it down tight. Powder needs to be slightly loose in order to burn more efficiently.

Lube pills:

Melt 1/3 bore butter, 1/3 beeswax, 1/3 paraffin wax.
In a pan you don’t plan on using for food, heat the mixture till it is fairly hot, but not anywhere near boiling,
pour your melted lube into a shallow pan, old plate or something similar, and cool, cast it to be 1/8" – 3/16” deep.
Place in the fridge to cool faster if you like. Use a .45 long colt case or a .45 acp case that you’ve sharpened the inside of.
Alternately, you can simply melt the lube and soak your wads in it, this works just as well.
With blackpowder revolvers, lube is a good thing, use lots of it. Never use petroleum products, they will create a gummy mess that is very difficult to clean.

Make use a loading stand, it loads better than your revolver and you can control the depth much better.
It is very necessary to use wads, not using them fouls the revolver even worse.
Goex pinnacle's fouling is looser and easier to clean than triple 7, but triple 7 produces more velocity.

NEVER use smokeless powder your revolver will become a grenade, always lube it down good with some bore butter or traditions lubed patches.

Screws:

Apply gorilla grease on the nipples in your pistol, it’s a miracle worker, anyone who has had a stuck nipple or breach screw understands this.
Gorilla grease was originally intended for breech plugs but works great on nipples, after hundreds of rounds fired, I was able to remove the nipples easily.
For the screws, be sure to use anti seize on them and use proper fitting screwdrivers.
I learned this fact the hard way with my first black powder pistol, this is the one time you can use a petroleum product, spark plug anti seize works great and it’s a buck for a small packet you can get at an auto parts store. Never over-tighten them, they will cold weld and be very hard to get out. Run them down and give them a good half turn.

Round balls:

Use only pure lead, it is very difficult to seat hard lead balls, and it is also less accurate.
Your particular pistol may prefer .451, .454, or .457 try them to find out which one seats best.
I prefer to use a slightly over sized ball, When seating the ball, it will shave off a sliver of lead.
I get a much better seal, and there is more bearing surface to engage the rifling.
As a matter of preference I prefer Speer or Hornady swaged balls. You can use cast balls if you prefer, however it is critical to to make sure the sprue faces up and is centered.

Powders:

Triple 7 is hands down my personal favorite, Pyrodex did not give me good results for a couple of reasons, it caused heavy fouling, and was much more difficult to clean. Pyrodex is also more corrosive so be warned clean your guns after shooting right away. Triple 7 also seemed to give the best accuracy, and was more energetic than pyrodex. I also shot the new pyrodex pistol pellets, they were a waste of money, half of them were broken! This is all a matter of personal choice, if you like pyrodex and it works well for you, use it.

Loads:
(These are Remington 1858 STEEL frame loads only!)
These are volume loads not weight loads.
Never go by weight when using black powder.

.454 lead round ball
40 grains triple 7
Lubed wad
(shot fantastic! Great accuracy)
<1” groups at 10 yards

.457 round ball
45 grains triple 7
Lubed wad
(real powerhouse, however less accurate I shot 2” groups at 10 yards)

.454 round ball
30 grains triple 7 or pyrodex
Lubed wad
(light recoil, decent accuracy 2-4” groups at 25 yards)

Birdshot load
Half teaspoon of #12 or #8 birdshot
20 grains of triple 7
Lubed wad underneath the shot
Dry wad on top of the shot
Lightly pack powder and wad first, add shot, wad gently press to beneath the chamber mouth.
(this is an interesting load, at less than 15 feet it made one hole with a few smaller ones around it, farther back it opened up quite well) I think this load would work well for pest control, or perhaps some small game if you’re close enough.

Storage:

Yes you can store this revolver loaded, If it is kept in a dry place with well fitting caps it can fire months after being loaded. Once I left it loaded for 6 months and every shot in all the cylinders fired.
That's a nice post. I found an interesting article about chain fires when I was researching black powder before I got my own Uberti 1858 New Army. The writer of the article experimented to try and cause a chain fire by repeatedly loading every chamber but only capping every other one. He did this with both an ASM, Pieta and a Uberti 1858 New Army, as well as a Colt Baby Dragoon. Not once did he get a chain fire.

Through his experimentation, he determined that chain fires come from sloppy powder loading, particularly when greasy residue is left all over the exterior and interior chamber mouths, where powder accumulates and gets "entrained" between the ball and chamber wall, so that the powder can ignite, sending flame past the ball in the next chamber and back to its primary charge.

The article is a good read and can be found here.

 
You are correct.. all BP revolvers I have seen allow you to drop the hammer between cylinders. some have pins to drop the hammer on. this is by far the safest but? even without the pins? nothing bad is gonna happen if you just drop the hammer between cylinders. not gonna go off sideways. Some do have pins between every cylinder.. some only have one pin you have to use.. some have no pins.. but unlike later SAA guns you can pull back the hammer slightly and rotate the cyl and drop it between loaded cylinders. Safe as a house... change my mind.
I have a Remington 1858 New Model Army and a Colt 1860 Army. The Remington uses the notches between the chambers, while the Colt uses the pins. Either setup is pretty secure, although I do prefer Remington's system because it doesn't require the hammer face to be notched.