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Riding LCP II mag release during firing?

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#1 ·
I have the new LCP II. I am finding that I may be riding or hitting the mag release during shooting as I randomly get the mag to drop while shooting. I have 3 mags and I cannot isolate it to one of them. Shooting one handed has not caused this issue yet. I wish they had the release a little more protected and less rounded. Anyone else experienced this error or is it just me? Maybe 3-4 times during 50 shots is what I experienced.
 
#5 ·
So my only reliable solution is not to use my usual 2 thumbs forward grip with left hand filling the right hand grip opening high up. I think it is my left hand tripping the mag release, because strong side only doesn't trip the mag so far. So something between the ineffective teacup grip and my usual grip, but where the supporting left hand is gripping lower than usual, below the mag release. I see videos of others shooting this with usual grip, so I hope it's not my gun. This gun is so cool, but has been a little disappointing. Replaced a bad extractor. Replaced a bad mag. Sensitive mag release. It would be nice to get feedback from others here on whether they do or don't modify their two handed grip on the LCP II. Perhaps I should post another question that is more specific on grip.
 
#6 ·
Same magazine drop issue LCP2

I have the same issue found out last night. Previously, when I shot the gun, I was seeing how accurate so slow shooting. Last night, I put it through the paces of fast response with multiple quick shots. Using Ruger ammo. Each time, after the second shot, the magazine dropped about 3/8 of an inch and no round was available in the chamber. I was left with a slide open situation. I don't want to have to worry if that is going to happen again sometime.
 
#8 ·
LCP II magazine release during firing

I just picked up a new LCP II and today at the range experienced the same issue others are: The magazine would release upon firing. I tried to shoot slow, I removed any fingers from the left side of the firearm and still the same. I discussed the issue with one of the guys at the range since they rent out this same model. He had no suggestions other than try a different ammo. I tried my expensive Hornaday ammo and received the same results. It got worse as I kept firing. Eventually EVERY round would release the magazine.

I hope someone comes up with a solution or recommendation soon.
 
#9 ·
I just picked up a new LCP II and today at the range experienced the same issue others are: The magazine would release upon firing. I tried to shoot slow, I removed any fingers from the left side of the firearm and still the same. I discussed the issue with one of the guys at the range since they rent out this same model. He had no suggestions other than try a different ammo. I tried my expensive Hornaday ammo and received the same results. It got worse as I kept firing. Eventually EVERY round would release the magazine.

I hope someone comes up with a solution or recommendation soon.
In your case I think you need to call Ruger.
 
#10 · (Edited)
Update... mag release malfunction... so previously I thought it was me doing something wrong because of my hold. Now even with a teacup grip I get mag drops with three different magazines. I had an SRO at my range confirm the bad mag release with three fully loaded mags. He said to send it back to Ruger so I will do that ASAP. This is dangerous in a CC gun.
 
#14 ·
Mag release on firing

I bought a new LCP 2 on Friday, and took ii out Sunday to try it out. Up on firing, the Mag releases and drops 1/2" or so. At first I thought it was me.
The mag drops no matter how I, or my Wife hold it.
Loved the trigger and sights.
Called Ruger on Monday. They said to send it in. Sent yesterday.
Now we wait......
 
#15 ·
I bought a new LCP 2 on Friday, and took ii out Sunday to try it out. Up on firing, the Mag releases and drops 1/2" or so. At first I thought it was me.
The mag drops no matter how I, or my Wife hold it.
Loved the trigger and sights.
Called Ruger on Monday. They said to send it in. Sent yesterday.
Now we wait......
Well, at least you know you are not alone and Ruger seems ready to fix this. Testing and retesting a .380 is not cheap though.
 
#16 ·
Unintended magazine release

I purchased an LCP2 in later February. This weapon had a multitude of problems to include: failures to feed; failures to extract; failures to eject; double feeds; and unintended magazine releases (with 5 different mags). Five different operators (all police officers) experienced the same issues with 3 different types of ammo. The weapon went back to Ruger twice. The first time they replaced the extractor, magazine, mag latch, mag latch spring, and entire slide assembly. Test fired (allegedly) by three techs with over 100 rds without issue. Weapon came back and all previous problems with exception of mag release remained. I had advised Ruger that the mag latch spring was extremely weak (half the resistance of my old LCP). The new latch spring was much better. Weapon went back second time. Ruger verified the malfunction condition and opted to destroy and replace the weapon attributing it to a defective ejector (which is what I told them was the apparent culprit). Ruger advised my weapon is the first that has been destroyed. New weapon shipped back to me via FFL (still have not received reimbursement for my $40 FFL transfer fee as promised). No malfunctions EXCEPT mag release due to another exceedingly weak mag latch spring. I have advised Ruger they need to increase this spring strength particularly since the mag release button is no longer recessed like the original LCP. Ruger needs to remold the frame to provide a recess for the release button. They mailed me a new spring which I installed myself. The spring was noticeable wider and it appears to be improved but I have a feeling that the spring will lose tension over time and I'll be back to square one. I am carrying it now off-duty (because of the improved sights, trigger and hold open feature) but frankly I have much more confidence in my old LCP. Too late for me but I would wait for a new frame design. I expect a recall of this weapon (like the first LCP) may be forthcoming.
 
#17 · (Edited)
These are jumpy little pistols and some of the problem may be that the shooter's thumb position hits the mag release upon recoil. Changing one's grip to keep the thumb from resting right up against the release my help. My LCP II had a very stiff mag release spring. When new, I had to depress the release to insert the magazine. It has since broken-in such that the magazine readily inserts as expected. I've never had a issue with the magazine coming out under recoil. I just took my LCP II out and yanked down real hard on the magazine trying to get it to release without pressing the release and couldn't do it. One would expect that if the recoil alone releases the magazine, one should be able to yank it out of there.

My two-handed grip on the LCP II: I grip it with my right hand with two fingers under the trigger guard and my pinkie under the magazine. With my thumb on my right hand held out, I then grip the pistol with my left hand, with my left index finger falling between the middle finger and ring finger of my right hand and my middle finger of my left hand falling between the ring finger and pinkie of my right hand. The last two fingers of my left hand rest under my right hand. The thumb of my left hand rests along the side of the middle finger of my right hand. The thumb of my right hand rests over the top of my left thumb, between the thumb joints. Neither thumb touches the left side of the pistol. The thumbs form a nice triangle shaped pocket around the mag release. With this grip, I've never had an issue. One fellow on You Tube who was accidentally releasing the magazine upon recoil added Talon grips and got enough friction to keep his thumb in the grip indentation, keeping it from falling down and hitting the mag release. Either way, I think changing the grip, being aware of your thumb placement, will correct many (but not all) of these mag release issues with these little pistols.
 
#18 ·
Grip

Bill I agree proper grip is essential on any weapon and especially on this design. I am very careful to position my grip in order that the weapon does not shift during recoil and no portion of my grip compromised the magazine release. I have owned an LCP since 2008 so I am no stranger to its operation. That being said this is a defensive weapon. As such circumstances and time do not always allow you to be so deliberate in your hand placement. If you examine the original LCP its design incorporated a rim/ridge to guard against recoil induced hand contact with the mag latch button. Despite my best efforts to avoid the button I am sure I may at times brush against it during firing which may lead to a dropped magazine. The LCP 2 left this design feature out, apparently the original engineer for the frame wasn't involved this time around. This is why a weak spring only compounds the problem. I already have Talon tape on mine. The weapon has a lot of good things going for it, they just need to change the frame mold moving forward.

BTW I have been an avid Ruger fan for over 25 years owning seven of their products. I also received my $40 refund for the FFL transfer.
 
#22 ·
Wow. I've read about, and experienced, the ton of FTEs, double feeds, etc, that others have experienced in my first couple hundred rounds. In separate posts I've detailed my own "heading back to Ruger" issue with the action locking up and frame bulged outward near trigger.

My Gen 2 is scratched up and has that lonnnng trigger pull - but I trust it. The LCP II - wow. Just wow. The ball did get dropped. Some people have great luck but there's no consistency at all.

They made changes in the design, yes, but they've built roughly a gazillion previous generation LCPs. It's not like the idea of a pocket 380 is new to them.
 
#23 ·
Interesting thread.

Picked up a LCP II a couple months ago and went right out and burned 200'rds through it. Had no misdeeds, etc BUT I did have e mag release issue.

Every time I fired with my typical two hand grip with thumbs forward (and straight) gripping tight and firing quickly the mag would drop. At first I thought I was hitting the release--I wasn't. I finally decided with such a firm grip, the mag (which isn't the tightest fit) was able to move inside the mag well enough with the gun remaining more stationary. Perhaos the weak latch others have mentioned is to blame.

I tried multiple mags one handed (strong and weak hand) and it never happened once. I put another 200 rounds through it and with a 'weak' two handed grip I had no problems. The minute I went to strong two hand grip--mag drop.

I'll have to decide if it's worth sending back to Ruger. It is a pocket, last ditch, GTFO me gum which most likely will have to be used one handed, but you never know. I'm a big Glock fan and they are my regular carry so I was so close to getting a 42 but it's borderline too big for pocket carry and I got a good deal on the LCP II.

Just last week I put the new Hogue Handall grip sleeve on and it feels MUCH better wikut really sacrificing concealability. I'll try to shoot it some more this weekend and see if helps the mag release problem.

Sure is a nice, little pocket piece.
 
#25 ·
I've put around 140 rounds thru my LCP ll with ZERO issues (hope I didn't just jinx myself!!) Put a Hogue grip on a few days ago and it certainly improves the recoil and now feels like I'm holding a larger more substantial pistol. Like Mojohand stated, the Hogue grip does not sacrifice concealability and might make it a bit more difficult to hit that release button.
 
#24 ·
I've owned (and enjoyed) my LCP II for a little over a year, but started having this problem a couple of months ago. I became very fastidious about my grip, but it got steadily worse. Last week at the range, the head of the takedown pin sheered; I had no way to remove it, so sent it to Ruger with the request to fix both; we'll see.

I was pretty deliberate in selecting the LCP over the alternatives, but will regard the gun as unfit for carry if it recurs. One thing I will try, though, is gluing a piece of wet-or-dry sandpaper to the smooth triangle where my thumb rests.

BTW, the responsiveness of Ruger customer service was great; I had a shipping label two minutes after a three-minute conversation.
 
#27 ·
Problem Solved II

On 12/18/17 I called Ruger customer service and explained the problem. They immediately emailed a Fed Ex label and the pistol was picked up at my door on 12/19/17 and returned on 12/26/17 (one week!) with a replaced magazine latch and spring. Took it to the range and the magazine stays in place.

Sure can't complain about the service.

As a new guy I have no complaints about being a slick-sleeve/ E-1, but if I ever make E-2 could I get a USAF rank insignia instead of the Jarhead chevron? Just asking.
 
#28 ·
Hi, I'm new to Ruger and the forum and although I own a few other guns, I'm in the process of purchasing a new LCP 2 (waiting to pick it up from my dealer next week). It would be my wife's primary cc. She disliked her Glock 42 and wouldn't carry it but was attracted to the LCP 2's size and design. I am as well but now having second thoughts after reading not such great reviews... I'm hoping we don't have issues since she's just getting into carrying and don't want her to have a negative experience with a gun of her choosing which may not operate well. Thanks to everyone's posts, I've learned a lot and haven't seen any negativity.
 
#29 · (Edited)
Don't worry. The vast majority of them have no problems. I've had mine for 11 months and have shot it quite a bit. I had one failure to feed and one time the magazine dropped loose when my thumb hit it during recoil. I did replace the takedown pin with the Tandemkross Tool-less Takedown Pin. It does fit the LCPII and is a tougher pin that is easier to remove when you deliberately turn it 180 degrees. It's a very good design. IMO Ruger should use this Tandemkross pin or pay them to copy their design. The best $10 you'll ever spend.
 
#30 ·
I was showing off my LCP2 to my brother and I experienced the same problem of the mag being released. He said "...this is the very reason I would never carry a gun like that...". To be serious, when I saw what I was doing, I changed my hold on the tiny gun and then started training with the new hold.

For me, it meant aiming the last joint of the thumb of the shooting hand in a downward position. For those that lack the genetically inherited ability of joint manipulation, other techniques may apply-:) I can actually "de-cock" my thumb.