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I'm considering a belt Knife with a 6" blade in Damascus steel for hunting and general utility purposes. Any opinions or thoughts on Damascus steel is welcome.
 
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My buddy has a couple. They are very nice looking. Seem to take and hold an edge well. Only downside I see is they rust quicker if not cared for and real Damascus adds IMHO extra cost for only aesthetics.

I pay extra for nice looking guns, so my extra cost opinion is pretty weak.
 
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They are cute, I'll give you that.
For me it would end up joining my few safe queens, so I'll pass.
 
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Some decent info here
 
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I'm becoming a knife steel snob. The specs on steels like S35VN put them high on my list of desirability. I try to avoid non-stainless steel and I think most Damascus knives would fall in that category and do rust; however, they do look nice. I only buy Damascus knives in person so I can see them and decide if the pattern appeals to me. I have a few but they are for display purposes only. Polish them up and oil or wax them and they are good to go. I bought some cheap display stands to put them on. I don't see myself using them other than to look at.
 
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My concern would be more about the quality of the Damascus versus if it is fake Damascus.
If you combine 2 crappy steels, fold it a hundred times and grind a beautiful blade it is still a crappy knife ,,,,, that looks cool.
Pakistan, China and several other offshore makers have discovered how to manufacture beautiful pattern welded blades that just will not hold an edge, so beware. As with all cheap imports you get what you pay for.
I have several telltale things I look at to identify a dressed up cheap knife but if all else fails a light file swipe will tell you everything you need to know. It should slide off and feel like a file on glass. If it cuts easy, drop it and run. Too soft to be a real knife.
If a Damascus Knife is $25 to $150 it is most likely low quality. Craftsman made Damascus is expensive. A quality blank piece of nicely patterned Damascus steel can run hundreds.
 
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Some say the art of making of Wootz steel, early Damascus was lost in the 18th century. I don't know what high quality damascus is but it's supposed to be strong and flexible. It doesn't seem real hard to get 2 or more types of steel and pound them together. Then again true samurai swords are legendary. We may have all heard the stories of samurai swords cutting gun barrels. I think to become a master sword maker you need to apprentice under a master for 5 yrs or so but I hear the art of samurai sword making is also dying.
 
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Modern “Damascus” is more correctly “Pattern Welded Steel.” Commonly consists of a carbon steel and a stainless steel. Forge weld, fold and repeat.

“Fake Damascus” is usually made from cheap steel that cannot be hardened enough due to insufficient carbon content. Hence the poor edge retention. It is acid etched to achieve the look of “Damascus/Pattern Welded Steel.”

I would only buy in person, and only if I could talk to the maker so I could ask him about types of steel used, heat treat, tempering, RC hardness, etc.

There are some good makers out there, but there’s a LOT more crap/junk being passed off as “Damascus.”

I, too am a fan of the new Super-Steels designed specifically for knives. Crucible Powdered Metals are outstanding.

JM2cents,

SFH
 
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Real Damascus steel has alternating layers of ferrite/pearlite and cementite with a variety of metal carbides (including vanadium), which makes it hard, tough and hold a sharp edge. There have been some researchers who have reproduced it, but it’s not worth the expense and effort with modern steels able to do as well with less work.

I like the look of modern ”Damascus steel”, but it’s really just pattern welding, as others have already pointed out. It doesn’t have the structure or composition that made real Damascus steel special.

I saw a knife a few years ago that started with a billet of alternating steel and copper that was forged into a beautiful “damascene“ blade. But, it wasn’t any harder, tougher or sharper than a garden variety mass-produced steel blade.
 
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Real Damascus steel has alternating layers of ferrite/pearlite and cementite with a variety of metal carbides (including vanadium), which makes it hard, tough and hold a sharp edge.
Yeah,,, that and it was quenched in the blood of a virgin.
Just can't get that stuff anymore.