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Possible 10/22 modification project.

7.8K views 22 replies 10 participants last post by  Hallbilly  
#1 ·
Hi folks. The good lady wife just bought a 17 year old 18" stainless on wood that she expects me to personalize.

History... A month ago her ancient Browning .22 take-down, spat one too many lumps of hot brass down her shirt sleeve (Don't worry the Browning is not going anywhere), hence a replacement rifle was demanded. She liked the idea of the Ruger Compact, but none will be available down here until after Christmas.

I'm a Toolmaker with my own machines and decades of experience toying with things that go bang. So she bought this older rifle with the expectation that I'll turn it into a Compact(ish) rifle.
So far I've polished the tarnished aluminium, lightened the trigger and made it smooth and crisp.
It looks great, feels good and shoots under 1" groups at 50 yards. So you ask "What more can be asked from any rifle". Answer - My wife has high standards !!
She's a small woman, so wants the Ruger shortened and to be about 1 and a half pounds lighter (More like the Browning). I'm not stupid enough to ask her why not button up her shirt sleeve and simply keep using the Browning.

If required shortening the butt is not an issue. Shortening the barrel is equally not a problem, but shortening the forestock is where I have some questions.

I have a personal prejudice regarding rifles that don't securely anchor the receiver to the stock and have the barrel floating, one take down fastener at the receiver and a band on the barrel goes against my base instincts.
I appreciate that with this one statement I've probably blacklisted myself and ended a short tumultuous forum affair.

This is what I propose doing.
If the barrel is shortened along with the forestock the band will have to disappear.
Has anyone drilled a long hole through the stock grip into the back of the receiver so that the back of the receiver can be secured with a long bolt ?
There appears to be plenty of meat at the back of the receiver, enough at least to tap 3/16".
This would provide the mechanical two point anchor that I'm more comfortable with and allow the barrel to be free floated.
Can 10/22 barrels be free floated or does the wedge clamp system require the barrel to be supported ?
 
#4 ·
You don't need to tap the back of the receiver. The receiver already has to points where it's secured to the stock. There's the obvious screw in the front, but there's also a tab in the back of the stock where the receiver and the trigger housing "slide" into. They hug this tab and that's what keeps the rear of the receiver from moving up and down.

If she's not happy with 1" groups, then you can always get a new barrel and that will give her 1/2" groups. If you go with Tactical Solutions or KIDD, that will lose about 1 pound. If you go with these barrels, you're going to have to widen the front of the stock so that they can fit the fore end. Since your gun is 17 years old, it has the metal trigger housing. If you swapped it out for the new polymer ones, that will lose another 3oz. Cut the rear of the stock to make it shorter will lose more weight. In the end, you can probably lose 1.5 pounds by doing these things and make your wife happy.
 
#6 ·
Norm from Cheers once said "Women, you can't live with them" end of quote.
The good lady wife has just got home from work and is wondering if she should reserve the Browning for hunting (With shirt sleeves buttoned) and use the Ruger for targets.
If a Bipod is fitted to the Ruger then retaining the original weight will be an advantage.
I'm now confused and frightened, not sure what I'm expected to do next.

Short barrels.
General consensus around here appears to be that 10" is as short as you should take a .22" barrel, though I'm not intending to go that short.
If this barrel is shorted by 4" to 14", the overall rifle length will be about 32" which to my eye may look okay.
Minimum legal length, end of butt to end of barrel here in NZ is 30" (762mm).
 
#8 ·
We don't have such restriction.
Have a look at SHOOTING SYSTEMS RESEARCH NZ Ltd - Home, this young gun manufacturer is just down the road from me. He is very clever and has committed himself and his family to pursuing firearm development and try to make an income at the same time. I am not as brave as he is.
His personal rifle is .308 with a 10" barrel, there's a trophy photo of it with a kill shot at 300 yards.
His personal .22 only has a 8" barrel.
 
#9 ·
You can send me the Browning :) It will have someone to talk to as I can put it right next to mine. The two should get along just fine.
 
#12 · (Edited)
If you get a Whistle Pig AL barrel it will be a tack-driving feather-weight...

Ruger used to sell a 1022 pistol called a Charger...discontinued...it came with a 10" tapered barrel that is simply a shortened 1022 barrel with no dove tailed slots for iron sights...you were expected to mount a scope or dot on it...I bought a Whistle Pig AL 10" barrel for it...the best it has done from a bench rest at 50yards is .4" 5shot group...consistently under .6" groups...that with Wolf MT ammo...

This is how I normally shoot it...in the factory stock with a red dot... http://rugerforum.net/ruger-charger/79030-charger-lite.html?

The modified plastic stock and huge scope are not normal for it...just for testing the accuracy of the gun from a rest at 50yards... http://rugerforum.net/range-reports/84089-charger-lite-scout.html?

The factory 18.5" barrel weighs 28oz...my TacSol 16" AL barrel on my 1022 carbine weighs 14oz...

The factory 10" barrel for the Charger weighs 19oz...the WP AL barrel weighs 10oz...

You can calculate your end results pretty easily using those numbers to predict the final weight of your options for material and length...

To modify a factory wood carbine stock for a .920 barrel use 3/4" electrical conduit wrapped in 80grit emery cloth...

The o.d. of 3/4" conduit is exactly .920...works great... http://rugerforum.net/ruger-10-22-rimfire/59282-factory-sporter-stock-modified-920-barrel.html?

This is how it shoots at 25yards...it will stay under 7/8" worst case at 50yards...typical is 3/4"... http://rugerforum.net/range-reports/84853-1022-co-witnessed-trs-25-wgrs-54-a.html?

Note also that approximately 2oz of weight is lost by shortening and channeling the fore end... w/o a scope or sights that carbine weighs approx 3lb 12oz and I have a 2-7x28mm Leupold on it that weighs 10oz including rings...so under 5lbs with a scope that is fine at 50yards with a full magazine...

The Whistle Pig barrels are more accurate than the TacSol but are also a bit more ammo picky...weight per inch of length is the same...both the WP and TacSol barrels can be had threaded...the WP can be had with porting...the light AL barrels do have a lot more muzzle flip than the heavy barrels...my first choice if I were you would be a ported 17" WP barrel...

Easy, no disputes on legal...that is assuming you can get one over there...

Now as far as bedding... I did something different... the barrel was already floated from channeling it... then I bedded the entire barrel in rtv... can't swear it made any difference in accuracy up or down...however...I really like the deadening I got from it a lot...10 minutes to do...very easily reversed if you don't like it...nothing to loose...

Here is a thread on bedding...the first one is impressive...mine is not impressive...it's on the last page of the thread... http://rugerforum.net/ruger-10-22-rimfire/29404-bedding.html

Looking forward to seeing what you end up doing...
 
#13 ·
Thank you ZommyGun.
Well I went and gone done it !
I've drilled and fitted a long 6mm bolt from the stock grip up into the back of the receiver as per my initial thread.
It's a diameter 8mm hole 40 degrees off the barrel centreline and counter bored so the bolt head is deeply recessed.
Because the fastener is acting on the back of the receiver at almost 45 degrees the pull down and pull back are about equal and the back of receiver is now most decisively anchored down.
Also carved a massive parallel trench in the stock to clear the barrel. Barrel ranged from about diameter 24mm down to 19mm, so I ran a diameter 25mm ball nose cutter down the stock, now you can drive a tractor between the stock and barrel.
Taken 3 inches of the end of fore stock also.
Still a work in progress, haven't had a chance to shoot it yet.
If I haven't stuffed it and it's still shooting 1" at 50 yards the next stage will be to shorten the barrel down to 14", this will match the shortened fore stock.
Should have more to report......
 
#14 · (Edited)
Still a work in progress.
Diagonal bolt pulling the rear of the receiver down tight.
5" been taken off the barrel.
3" been taken off the forestock.
Plenty of clearance around the barrel.
Butt is still to be shortened.
To date the overall length is 32".
Every time I do something the rifle has to be re-sighted just to make sure I haven't stuffed something up.
To date she's still consistently putting holes where I've been aiming.
This is my first attempt at attaching photos, so here goes.
 
#18 · (Edited)
Thanks Lostln.
The five inches of barrel that's been taken off weights 5 oz, I can feel the weight has been transferred back into the butt and along with reducing the pendulum effect she's become a very different feeling rifle, which I like.
Now to get rid of some more of that wood weight. :cool:
 
#20 ·
Don't worry, its just that some paper pusher hasn't thought of regulating barrel lengths as yet.
Try and own a military style rifle that has a pistol grip fitted.
I recently got rid of my old service SLR because there are dark clouds on the horizon.
 
#21 ·
Project is now finished.
I think it's only fitting that the rifle that started this project is in the final photo.
The Browning without scope weights 4 1/2 lb.
The 10/22 was just over 5 1/2 lb.
Now the 10/22 is the same weight as the Browning (As per original requirement).
Shoots as it should do, grandson just put 100 rounds through her without a problem, holes appearing where expected. :cool:

FIN.

 
#23 ·
The wife's had the Browning for 30 years.
It's got the War Department arrow branded into the wood (The rifle , not the wife), that means it was "borrowed" during the war (The rifle and not the wife) for cadet training, so she's (The rifle) no younger than 75 years.
It's written up that it never leaves the family. :cool: