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Redfield 4x

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#1 ·
Perhaps someone can inform me?

I bought this scope.
It says Redfield and the fixed magnification is approx. 4x

No markings exept as per pictures.
The worn label reads I4-PLEX"

No "Made in USA" or Japan or serial number.

The tube is 1"

I only payed $7.5 for the scope on an action so if it is fake junk it's not the end of the world.

I plan to use it on my Winchester 9422 for the kids to learn using a Lever gun.
First open iron sights, and the progress on to using a scope.

I also have a Leupold M8 3x if this Redfield turns out to be junk.

Thanks for reading/Be safe.
//Kjell

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#5 ·
Lenses and reticle are okey, at least in daylight.

I'm just a little bit curious as there are no markings like I have seen on pictures of other Redfield 4x scopes.

I have howewer found one picture of a identical scope without the "Made in Denver U.S.A." Engraving.
The picture is from a shop selling Vintage Gun Scopes. (And what a shop that is, with vintage scopes I could only dream of!).

The ad says Redfield 4x IER/LER 1" tube.

I think IER and LER stands for:
IER: Intermediate Eye Relief
LER: Long Eye Relief

I know, if it works, then all is fine.
But I'm a bit of a vintage Scope freak, so it would be nice to know what I have got...

Picture from the webpage, and no Engravings:

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#17 ·
Made back in the day when Redfield scopes were quality.
Bepe
I agree with this. Redfield scopes were quality made in Colorado for years.
It appears you got your answer though. Congrats.
If you need repairs or refurbish, I recommend these folks: Scope Repair Company in USA | Ironsight, Inc.
They recently refurbished a 6x18 Redfield for me that my dad gave me. They have excellent customer service and do quality work for low coin. I'd like to go through that old wooden box of unwanted Redfield scopes.
 
#7 ·
I am almost certain the scope is not a fake because as I recall, cheap china fakes were not produced in the time period that scope was manufactured. Cheap china fakes are a later scam.

As said above, if the lens are clear and the view is not foggy, use it and enjoy it. If not, I would consider sending it to an optics repair shop with a good reputation for restoration.

In the 1970's, when I was finally able to buy a rifle scope, Redfield was my first choice.

I think you are lucky to have found that scope.
 
#9 ·
Especially finding one here in Sweden.

Few Swedish hunters care for old Redfield or Weaver scopes.
You can usually buy them for $35-45 each at the Gun shops if you find a shop that even bother to trade with them.

My local Gun shop have at least 30 of simillary scopes from Redfield or Weaver stuffed down in a big wooden box.

When the box is full they throw the scopes away.

Old Hensoldt and Pecar Berlin scopes are usually in demand, but the rest is considered obsolete and best left in a cardbox or scrapped.

I own two American rifles, ofcorse they should have American scopes installed!
 
#16 ·
I contacted the US company that sells Vintage Gun Scopes.
Just some questions by e-mail.

I attached pictures of my scope and asked them if they could identify my scope.

I got their answer in return a few hours later!
I'm really stunned by their fast reply and that they took their time and effort to answer my questions. Stellar service!
In my book that's true Customer Service!

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#18 ·
5-10 years ago hunters started trading in their Mauser M/96 caliber 6.5x55 for new Tikka T1/T3 or Blaser rifles in .308W

Gunshops stock piled the old trade in Mausers and could not resell them.

An old ex Army model 96 in good nick would set you back $65-$120

Most of them were scrapped.

A few years back German gun collectors started buying our remaining old Mausers dirt cheap.

The same with rifles like my Ruger M77 Mk II Zytel stock in 30-06
They are cheap, cause nobody wants them.
Me? I would like to get my hands on a full stock M77! They are great looking and easy to carry and they are the American interperation of a Mauser K98 for civil use.

Vintage scopes?
Same thing. "Everybody" needs 3-18x60 or something like that.
For hunting in Sweden? Really?

Hell, I used a 4x24 fixed Hensoldt scope on my H&K made Ak 4 OR when I was training as a sniper. It was sufficient.

Yes I have noticed the prices people ask for their US made vintage gun scopes on internet based auction sites.

Yes I could make good money buying up old scopes here and resell them over there.

Or, I could just buy the finest examples and show them on the forum.

What I can not find or buy here is a good silver/stainless scope to go with my stainless M77 Zytel stock rifle.

I'm a sucker for proper combinations of rifles and scopes!
They have to look right together!
 
#20 · (Edited)
The first scopes I bought myself were two Redfield Widefields in the early '80s and they were fantastic for what they cost, around $100 each (about $376 today). Many considered them as good as Leupold for less money. The widefields had a TV-screen view and were really worthwhile, I don't know why they never caught on. Mine were 2-7x and 1.75-5x and I still have the latter, both mine were purchased for woods deer rifles.

Great glass and if yours is still clear I'd use it, just not on any centerfire semi-auto because they were not built for the slamming in both directions. For example, Mini-14s, back in the early '80s, would wreck almost any scope in a short time. With the Ranch rifle version they added scope rings and a recoil buffer.
 
#34 ·
I loved the Widefields and don't know why they didn't catch on. Obviously, they had a wider field of view that would be fantastic for tracking fast-moving game and just showing a wider view. The center view was the same as regular scopes but the sides were extended.
I only have one picture of mine and it shows the adjusting turret. Not good for adjusting for distance like the better scopes today, more for short range sighted in.
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I would be tempted to buy some from that shop you mentioned but I don't know if I would trust scopes that old on a real hunt, hunting is expensive these days.
I think they were discontinued in the '80s and are the seals still holding the nitrogen?? Would recoil break the innards loose?
I'm keeping mine as an oddity of old times, I bought it new in a gun shop in Maine when I was in the Navy in 1979. I display it on a shelf.
I thought of mounting it (my 1.75-5x) on a .22, parallax wouldn't matter, but I like Vortex scopes today with more informational reticles for longer distance. Actually, I have thought of mounting mine on a steel challenge 10/22 instead of a red dot.
 
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Only markings found on the scope.
I checked the Eye Relief and it is exactly
100 mm so the scope will work on my 94/22

I also checked for discoloration of the lenses, and I can detect a very slight yellowing (if that is even a word...).

I will check my local gunshop for vintage US made scopes and select the finest of them and ask you forum members if the scopes are worth saving.
 
#27 ·
I've read some of them Range Reports.

I will also produce one.
The snow have just about melted away now, so it will soon be possible to drive out to the range and do some testing of the rifle, scope and a selection of different ammunition.

I found this picture on the Net.
It sort of captures and represents my expectations that I have on my Zytel rifle.

A Leupold 3-9x42 is installed on my Ruger.

There were no information on who took the photo, otherwise I would have given due credit.

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#29 ·
A shop based in the US and specialised in refurbing vintage gun scopes had a scope exactly just like mine.

I contacted their customer support and sent them some photos of my scope.

They returned promtly and informed me that it is a genuine Redfield scope from the sixties.

It's really not that important to me.
I bought it to use it, not flipping it on ebay to make a few bucks.

However real U.S. Steel is worth more to me in feelings than some far east copies could ever do.
That applies to Rifles, scopes, motorcycels (I'm on my forth Harley now) and cars.

Here are pictures from the company webpage of their scope, just like mine.

I have deleted their name, as not to make any faulty postings that includes comercical!

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#40 ·
I'm attending an informal shooting gathering at the range next week.
First "official" presentation of my 30-06 M77.

This one got away.
Not the season yet, and I was just out walking.

Attached the pictures for you guys to get some view of what my normal hunting ground looks like.
Very few possibilitys to shoot long range at anything. Often the target will be within 40-80 meters range, behind trees and bushes, and moving really fast as soon as the animal becomes aware of your presence

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#41 ·
Very few possibilitys to shoot long range at anything.
A similar situation to the areas where I hunt. Although some in South Carolina shoot at extended ranges (bean fields, power line rights-of-way and such), I shoot at 100 yards or less, most often at 50 yards or less. I hunt prepared food plots and the rest of my properties are planted pines.

I most often use a Remington Model 7 in 7mm-08, a .30-30 or a .44 Rem. Mag. carbine. I own a Ruger M77 MKII in .308 Winchester but I have not shot it in years. But if I were hunting a caribou, moose or reindeer, I would probably have need for the .308 Win.