I will never pay $ 10.99 for 50 rounds of .22lr. Pass. I don't buy Eley, Lapua, or SK match ammo either.

 

Yeah I know its costly, and I am not in any dispute about it.... except curiousness. 10.99 for 100 is about the MOST I will pay. BUT I am terribly curious. And I am with you on lapua eley and sk too! Price is the advantage of rim fire.

 

Never tried that. I mostly grab Blazers or CCI Target. At 1550 fps I bet it will have a nice crack to them even in a closed breach gun.

 

If you compete in shooting sports where accuracy is the main objective, then using expensive match grade 22 LR is quite ammo is common. I have used Lapua match grade 22 LRs in my 10/22 custom build and it squeaks out a slightly smaller group than other brands of match grade 22s. I bought a brick at just under $100.

The new hyper velocity CCI "clean" 22 LRs use coated 31gr bullets that do not foul the bore or suppressors. Velocity is rated just under CCI Stingers but have the same case as a normal 22 LR so they can be used in any semi-auto rifle or pistol. I might try a box, just to satisfy my curiosity. My Remington 511 really likes CCI Stingers so maybe it will like the new stuff too,

 

If you compete in shooting sports where accuracy is the main objective, then using expensive match grade 22 LR is quite ammo is common. I have used Lapua match grade 22 LRs in my 10/22 custom build and it squeaks out a slightly smaller group than other brands of match grade 22s. I bought a brick at just under $100.

The new hyper velocity CCI "clean" 22 LRs use coated 31gr bullets that do not foul the bore or suppressors. Velocity is rated just under CCI Stingers but have the same case as a normal 22 LR so they can be used in any semi-auto rifle or pistol. I might try a box, just to satisfy my curiosity. My Remington 511 really likes CCI Stingers so maybe it will like the new stuff too,

I think I may try some. My reasoning is on the conversion bolt I use, I use a regular charge handle. It allows some particals past it. I think the clean stuff may burn more complete and not pelt my cheek as much. But its not a major issue, and I am not sure my logic is sound

 

As I see it, "Clean" has to do with reducing lead fouling in the bore, not a better burn???

 

I think you are right, and I am just wishful thinking.

 

In the search for 22LR accuracy, hyper velocity is seldom the answer.

 

needsmo, I've found CCI Stingers are very accurate in my Remington bolt action rifles\ .... more accurate than traditional Standard velocity or High velocity ammo. These bullets crank out just over 1600 fps from my Remington Mod 511 versus 1090 fps for Standard velocity and 1200 fps for High velocity. No doubt, some rifles are just the opposite where Stingers suck.

 

Yup, that's why I said "seldom". Just because sometimes there is magic.
But in the world of uber accurate rimfire competition the sound barrier does not get broken and very expensive slow bullets get used.
But,,,, that's not my world. Seems like ALL my rimfires love CCI stingers plus they will get fed most anything I happen to have.
Many semi-autos will not even function without high velocity ammo.

 

Well, I bought 50 of them. Should be on the orchard next week. I will see how they group at 30 yards and if they pelt me as bad. THEN we will know what a hillbilly thinks about them vs regular 38 or 40 grain copper 1200 fps minimags.

 

Well, I bought 50 of them. Should be on the orchard next week.

Looking forward to what you find out.

Specifically for me, I don't see any way that a 31gr bullet can be put into a standard length case and meet saami spec for minimum 22lr OAL. My bet is that the cases are the same length as CCI uses for Stingers, or are at least longer than standard.

 

Have tried them, a friend shoots them in this rifle. Very accurate.

Myself, I shoot CCI green tag precision in my custom 10/22, they are good enough to hit 12 gauge hulls at 100 yards for me.
I do like / use stingers as well in a few other firearms, but the bulk I have is federal 550 packs for plinking. Really like the mini mags too, the CB shorts, and at times super colibri quiets in my revolver and bolt guns for pests without alot of noise. Almost finished my box of 333 winchesters.

 

Have tried them, a friend shoots them in this rifle. Very accurate.

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Myself, I shoot CCI green tag precision in my custom 10/22, they are good enough to hit 12 gauge hulls at 100 yards for me.
I do like / use stingers as well in a few other firearms, but the bulk I have is federal 550 packs for plinking. Really like the mini mags too, the CB shorts, and at times super colibri quiets in my revolver and bolt guns for pests without alot of noise. Almost finished my box of 333 winchesters.


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thanks @Tacky I think we will have similar results. I may suffer some, as my barrel is a 1/8 twist, but perhaps the longer case will offset my twist rate mismatch. time will tell. My main observation will be powder to the face, and no accuracy degradation from where I am (1.0" @ 75 yards) with quicker projectiles!

 

Needsmo, You touched on one of my hot buttons that has become one of the worst Internet myths. When bullets transition from supersonic to sub sonic, they do NOT go crazy and lose stability or accuracy, they merely hit a temporary bump in the road and recover stability a few yards later. A typical 22 LR (I'll use a CCI Mini-Mag @ 1235 fps as an example).Mini-Mags will go subsonic at about 31 yards, yet they are known to be very accurate at 75 or even 100 yards. A Stinger starts off at 1640 fps and goes subsonic at about 65 yards. Again, the bullet maintains stability well past 100 yards. In my own Remington bolt action Mod 511, or CZ 452-2E, on a calm day, I can shoot sub-inch groups at 100 yards with CCI Minimags. Green Tags (1070 fps) fare a little better. Stingers will hold a 1/2" group at 100 yards. So what is all this crap about subsonic transition about? BTW, the reason why CCI Green Tags are so accurate is NOT because they are subsonic, it's because they have very uniform bullets, powder charges, and priming compound .... very similar to other match grade 22 LRs.

Where all this sub-sonic crap started, it related to AR-15/M-16s shooting military M-193 (5.56x45mm) ammo with 55gr bullets. As it turned out, at about 280 yards, 55gr bullets went through sonic transition. They also became unstable where groups opened up dramatically. The shooting community took this to mean sonic transition caused bullets to go wild and most people still believe this eronious concept. The reason for instability had nothing to do with going subsonic, it was the poor ballistic coefficient of the 55gr bullets that caused their spin rate to decay and go below the point of gyro stability. At the time, I too believed in the sonic transition theory until I met Gale McMullen.

I was at the Ben Avery shooting range, located near Phoenix, AX. I was sighting in a Remington Mod 700, chambered in 223 Rem. The man at the bench next to me was also sighting in a Mod 700 Remy. I helped him by walking down range and putting up and taking down targets. After an hour of shooting, Gale invited me to join him for lunch, where we discussed many gun related topics. I had no idea who this man was, other than he was the best marksman I had ever seen. It turned out, Gale McMullen held many marksmanship international records plus he held the record for the smallest group at 100 yards. Of course, I didn't know this until I got home and did some research. Gale also made some of the best rifle barrels in existence.

One of the many topics that came up in our discussions was "sonic transition". Gale said he could prove it wasn't valid if I was willing to do another range trip. I brought my Remington Mod 700 BDL with a 1:12 twist rate, 24" barrel to the range and Gale brought basically the same gun only his Mod 700 had a 1:9 or 1:10 twist rate barrel (can't remember which). We set up targets at 100 yards and used the same Remington brand 223 Rem ammo with 55gr bullets in both guns. My Mod 700 grouped well under an inch at 100 yds, as did Gail's Mod 700. Then the true test began. We moved the targets out to 300 yards. My mod 700 shot 6" or larger groups and Gail's Mod 700 with a faster twist was still shooting 1 inch groups. We set up an Ohler chronograph at 300 yards and found both guns were producing identical velocities. This proved one point .... velocity was consistent with both twist rates but stability fevered the faster twist rate, by far. The grim bullets in those Remington cartridges had a very poor BC ... .101 so they didn't deal well with air friction and dropped to subsonic velocities at 280 yards. Gale's rifle with the faster twist rate kept the bullet spinning fast enough where they maintained stability at 300 yards (probably much farther) and my rifle with its 1:12 twist rate failed to maintain stability, which opened the groups considerably. The whole point of this demonstration was to prove it was the twist rate of the rifle versus ballistic coefficient of the bullet that caused to bullet to go whacky and had nothing to do with bullets going subsonic, because both bullets were traveling at the same speed.

I would love to hear from someone that has actual experience and proof with sonic transition where it caused bullets to go unstable.

 

Test Engineer, The SAAMI standard for overall max length of a 22 LR is 1 inch. Nothing says a cartridge can't be shorter. The length restriction is primarily so cartridge will fit in a clip type magazine. Besides, compliance with SAAMI standards is voluntary.

 

Please do share your results.
When I can find them, I buy CCI Minimags.
Over the past few years of slim ammo pickings I have aquired a couple thousand rds. of Aguila.
It seems decent, but I seldom shoot beyond 25 yards due to trees in the way.

I have had 2 sequential boxes of 500 or Remington Golden Bullets that were disappointing. Many of them failed to fire on first try.

 

The only time I go Hyper is wanting more Oomph out of .22, and CCI Velocitors do that. 40 grain with 18% more FPS and 75% more muzzle energy, than 40 gr. regular Mini-Mags.

Stingers give you 30% extra FPS than Mini-Mag, with about the same MV as Velocitor, but the 31 grain bullet reduces the end result. Most other hyper .22LRs use lighter bullets. Better on paper, but not bad guys or small game.

The percentage differences would be about the same, whether a 4 inch or 16 inch barrel.

I used to use my .22 SP as a bedside gun, loaded with Velocitors. Put me midway between HV and WMR, good enough.

 

My own quest is almost purely educational. I could put a plastic "plug" in my charge handle and run 36, 38 or 40 gr minimags or fed gameshok without any issue. And my .22lr simply keep me from burning thousands of dollars in center fire by burning hundreds in rimfire....
BUT I am curious about the poly coated clean hyper velocity. I have no idea why. I suppose its my American toxic masculintity that just always wants better faster stronger. I am not sure. But we are going to find out!

 

I use CCI SV and Norma TAC-22 (German) in my Ruger 10-22 Carbine, Henry 22LR lever action, Ruger 22LR bolt action, and Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22. No FTF, FTL, and FTE. I'm very pleased with the accuracy (nickle size groups) at 25yds. I use CCI Mini Mag in most of my 22LR pistols. They cycle better. No FTF, FTL, and FTE.

I use CCI SV and Norma TAC-22 in my Ruger Super Wrangler and Sig Sauer P322. No FTF, FTL, and FTE. I shoot them both at 7 yds. I never use hollow points. I don't see any of these brands Norma TAC-22 and CCI as dirty ammo. Ely Club (UK) was my favorite a while ago. But, I found Norma TAC-22 as accurate or better,..Never again will I use Mexican and Filipino ammo. I always clean bores after each use. Bore snake is my favorite.
I'm strictly a target shooter on an indoor range.

 

I don't trust a polymer coating to not stick to the bore. Plastic in the middle of all that heat and flame, and 100% of it leaves the bore? Really? If not, how would you remove it?

 

Well that is the question!!!! Idk. But ima find out!

 

I don't use poly tipped. I always wondered about accuracy?

 

Don't worry about the coating. For maybe a decade lead bullet casters have been using polymer powder coating on their centerfire bullets and it works great. There is a point where the velocity can get too high but it is way faster than any .22 rimfire. The coating is tough and does not come off.
You can google to learn more if interested.

Indoor ranges love the polymer coatings, those bullets are sealed and absolutely zero lead goes into the air.

Also I didn't know they are calling these "new", polymer coated .22s have been around for a few years. I know some company (don't remember who) sells red and green ones at xmas. OK found it:
CCI Christmas Pack Clean-22 High-Velocity Ammo 22 Long Rifle 40 Grain (midwayusa.com)

 

RevV, those Goldens must have been old, old stock. Supposedly, Remington corrected the priming and reliability issues in the early 2000's.
None of the Goldens made in the last 3-4 years have any issues, and I've shot around 7 of the 500+ cartons.

Mini-Mags are way more accurate than an HV round should be.
This is two 100 yards groups with Mini-Mags, shot out of my stock 10/22 International and 7x scope.
Upper group was shot without the end cap on the stock, and it printed way high.
Bottom group was fired with the end cap in place.

 

I still have a couple 555 round boxes of the old Remington Golden Bullets. I bought them when K-Mart was going out of the firearms and ammo business. They were on sale for about 8 bucks per box of 555 so I can deal with the poor quality. They are famous for the "pop-bang syndrome" and duds so I shoot them in revolvers. Prior to 2000, Remington 22 LRs were pittyful and Winchester 22 LRs were great. That seems to have reversed in the last few years where Remington Goden Bullets are now reliable and Winchesters are crap. Federal bulk grade 22 LRs seem to have stayed about the same .... pretty reliable and pretty accurate.